To think Nicola is just grasping at straws

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5304497/amp/Nicola-Sturgeon-bans-Union-Flag-Queens-birthday.html

Banning the union flag so it's only shown once a year. Surely the failing SNP is loosing popularity and she's just getting ever more ridiculous.

Trixy, sorry if I wasn't too clear. I meant a referendum wasn't imminent in 2010. The landslide majority the SNP got in 2011 that gave them the mandate to hold one was a bit of a surprise at the time.

Fake news...

It's not really fake news though is it. I'm angry that the daily mail etc have allowed it to be dismissed as such by reporting as they did pinning it on Nicola. The real appears to be far more concerning and insidious.

A referendum might not have been imminent at that point but one of my issues with the SNP is that they govern with one eye on what effect their policies will have on support for independence and the possibility of a future referendum rather then doing the right thing, hence their flip flopping on tax policies for example. This change wasn't made public so AS clearly knew he was doing the wrong thing.

*real story

trixy, leaving aside your distrust of Alex Salmond, what are your concerns about the Royal standard being used? If you think it's a bad thing, will you be campaigning to have this changed? Do you think that if the SNP lose the majority in Holyrood, the winning party should revert to using the Union Jack? When should the royal standard be used, if at all? I had a look at scotgovs flag flying guidance (2018) and it didn't seem unreasonable, but I'm not very interested in flags tbh. I was drawn to this thread because it was fake news, but I'm interested in why the use of the Royal standard is objectionable.

Oh FGs you haven't been paying attention have you. I couldn't give a shiny shit about flags (unlike Salmond clearly). My concern is the under the radar, underhand way this has been done. Makes me worried what else ha been sneaked through.

Suppose it has given the DM a new target instead of immigrants and benefit claimants

trixy, I don't deny that politicians sneak things through under the radar, but in this case, the Royal standard has been flown for seven years. So it's fairly obvious a change has taken place. It only seemed to cause a moral outcry when the right wing papers tried to pin the blame for it on Nicola Sturgeon.

Ask yourself if you'd have been fine with this if the tories had done it? I certainly would have exactly the same criticisms.

The way things are in Scotland is extremely troubling. "Wheesht for Indy" could have some very damaging consequences. Politicians should be criticised, in particular the governing party should be criticised but the shouting down of any concerns as SNP baaad is a light on Scotland.

*blight

I'm not shouting down anyone, trixy, but if you're not bothered about the flag change ( i'm not either), and it's been in operation for seven years, it's not "under the radar", is it? Should Salmond have held a referendum on flag changing in 2010? I agree with you that politicians have to be held to account, but this issue is hardly a headline in the long list of political issues we're facing as a country - UK - and this thread was started as a bit of SNP baaad, wasn't it? For the rightwing press, it's a diversion from real news and a piece of manipulation.

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It is under the radar as they have left it until now to update the official guidance. I think the fact no one has noticed until th change in guidance is really proof that the nats are the only ones obsessed by flags despite claims to the contrary.

And it might not be a huge issue but it is part of the insidious attempt to erode anything British from Scotland. Look at the bigger picture.

trixy, it could be argued that it's people living in Scotland that are eroding Britishness in a very public way, as many of them keep voting for the SNP

Except the majority don't vote SNP do they....

trixy and that's a much bigger issue, no matter who you vote for. This system forces folk to hold their noses, and vote for their least worse options rather than vote true to their beliefs. I'm with you there...

Totally.

I'm so glad we have a form of PR in the Scottish parliament. Bring on 2021!

Scots have contributed a hell of a lot to the union - shit loads really. I’m very proud of that.

Yes like the huge part we played in profiting massively from the slave trade, the colonisation of several countries and the brutal and barbaric treatment of indigenous people across the globe.

So proud!

Are you implying from that comment, that England (NI + Wales) DIDN’T profit historically from empire and slavery? That was just Scotland then?

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I think that panicont is suggesting that England etc profited and Scotland didn't.

Eh? Can you read? ... the part we played I said. Part.

I am implying that the whole of the United Kingdom profited and it's NOTHING to be proud of.

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It came across as sarcastic. maybe lay off the emotes.

I see. Sarcasm only intended for the pride we should feel.

To be clear, I think that all countries in the UK benefitted from a whole lot of nastiness.

I feel and see no pride in our shared history. I would be elated to see the union dissolved and the flag disappear into history where it belongs.