To be furious?! Women's march?

[Goldmonday]

Have been seeing posts like this being thrown round on social media the past couple of days....am I the only one who thinks the whole world has gone bananas and we are now taking a huge step backwards???

That madness is obviously from the US, but I wonder if ‘native’ women are accorded such patronising ‘respect’ here in the UK. Hmm, thought not. The indigenous community is obviously only fetishised by these people when it’s non-white.

cis is taken to mean women who were assigned female at birth

No-one is “assigned” a sex at birth. A baby’s sex is noted and recorded by observing its genitals.

White middle class women are the only female demographic that has any social or economic power to challenge things structurally, so of course we need to sit down and shut up and of course other women need to see us as the enemy - would be a bad day at the office for the patriarchy if women were allowed to band together and organise.

Exactly. This is so dismissive of the actual lives of women. As if the only thing black women worry about is being beaten up by the police. They also have to worry about access to contraception, the pay gap, not being able to access abortion in parts of the US, not having a safe space in a shelter, sharing a prison cell with a man, being catcalled and insulted in the street etc etc.

Women are reduced to one-dimensional cartoons

condepetie you aren't exactly breaking new ground there. there have always been women who have been happy for men to speak for them.

Oh look, another excuse to shoehorn in some transphobia. Mumsnet as per usual.

Yeah no.

I'm guessing you're under 25. And you're 'cisgenger'. So you completely conform with every single female stereotype going? High heels, make up, simpering, saying maths is hard, being a home-maker, all that crap?

Umm no, this isn't attempting to describe anything resembling intersectional feminism.

Actually read it.

It is obviously from a trans perspective because apparently all white 'cis' women care about is that they have vaginas. Can't see anyone but a man writing that crap, can you?

So white women can't protest about rape, abortion rights, the pay gap, harassment, women's rights being hijacked because they are white? Who says?!

I'm black, am I allowed to call out 'BULLSHIT SISTERS'?

And 'Cis' is going to be one of those words we look back on and cringe at (those ignorant enough to use it) It has turned into a hate slur against biological women (you know, those ones that need rights in place to protect our vulnerabilities which are fucking wholly centred on our biology)

OP YANBU.

Intersectional feminism: the definition that you can't claim to be supportive of equality for and decent treatment of women unless you also agree to take on board a whole load of other political stances that you may or may not agree with. It's bullying and shouting over everyone else and I despair of all hard work women have done in the past being traduced by a bunch of loud theorists.

I support anyone who is abused or treated differently by race religion sex or any other inequality or nasty stereotype.
Be they Jewish, white working class young males, Muslim, young or old women of any colour or race, anyone anywhere. Trans LGBT whatever and whoever

But I myself am not a cis anything I am a woman and proud of being so.

Intersectional feminism: the definition that you can't claim to be supportive of equality for and decent treatment of women unless you also agree to take on board a whole load of other political stances that you may or may not agree with.

I am not very good at ideologies or party lines.

And what Dora said so much better

So presumably I'm supposed to think, well they can fuck off, because I can't help that I was born straight, white and middle class any more then I can help that I was born female?
Well, I am thinking that, but I'm pretty confident that the person who wrote it is a male TRA. So no damage done to female solidarity here.

In that post there is an assumption, no, an accusation that white women as a whole and certainly all the white women on those marches, do not understand or implement intersectionality in their feminist analysis. How would the poster know? Did they ask any of the women.

And secondly, it's a march not a meeting. People chant slogans. Are they really insinuating that no other demographic of women wore a pussy hat or chanted pussy grabs back, because I think you'll find there were all kinds of women doing exactly that on the march.

Oh cis off, Conde! Why are you buying into this toxic reductive shit?

You're not the only one calling them on this

auntiewanda.tumblr.com/post/156192363596/introvertit-redsatinsheets-black-women-at

No-one is “assigned” a sex at birth. A baby’s sex is noted and recorded by observing its genitals

Not necessarily. There are a number of disorders of sex development that lead to intersexuality where the external genitals or internal organs may be ambiguous or at odds with the genetic gender. There are chromosome and hormone problems that can lead to someone being defined as intersex and it is common for a child to be assigned to one gender or other; they may later change their assignment or not. One famous example is Lady Colin Campbell who was raised as a boy until she chose to have corrective surgery. It's a reasonably well-known circumstance. Human reproduction isn't perfect and there are sometimes when it isn't clear, even genetically in the case of chimerism.

@KillDora

I wish we had a 'like' button on here.

I don't think redsatinsheets is a TIM though

empowerforjustice.tumblr.com/post/156070072773/redsatinsheets-whats-real-interesting-about-u

There's loads of stuff on the feminism forum about this.

There are a number of disorders of sex development that lead to intersexuality where the external genitals or internal organs may be ambiguous or at odds with the genetic gender. There are chromosome and hormone problems that can lead to someone being defined as intersex and it is common for a child to be assigned to one gender or other; they may later change their assignment or not.
That's true for a very small percentage of births, about 0.06%. So it's a real condition but the language has been hijacked to apply to everyone whose sex hasn't been ambiguous at birth.
www.isna.org/faq/frequency

Planned parenthood is an interesting one for a TRA to reference.

I'm sure they do a lot of good.

Unfortunately they also held a seminar called 'how to break through the cotton ceiling'.

A play on the glass ceiling, designed to give tips to transwomen on how to access sex from lesbians. The 'cotton' being the gusset in a pair of women's knickers.

Because lesbians are well known for wanting coercive sex from people with a penis. Or corrective rape, as they call it.

A lot of lesbians were sort of shocked by the Cotton Ceiling- a series of closed-to-females seminars designed for transgender males to tackle the “problem” of lesbian refusal to have sex with males.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/?s=+Cotton+ceiling+planned+parenthood+&submit=Search

There are a number of disorders of sex development that lead to intersexuality where the external genitals or internal organs may be ambiguous or at odds with the genetic gender.

But there are still only two types of gamete. Therefore there are two sexes with a tiny number of people having development disorders.

One of the most infuriating thing about transactivists is their appropriation of intersex.

I’m not a ‘cis’ woman. I’m a WOMAN and I find it insulting when the word cis is used to identify my sex. You can’t assign a gender to a baby as it’s a social construct. The word gender is used to imply that women and men follow stereotypes. My SEX is female and if you’re going to go down that bull shite gender path, I wear men’s tee shirts and jeans, have short hair, do all my own diy, including building, painting, etc, so therefore I don’t fit the stereotypical female ‘gender’, so I must be a man. 😒

I centre women and their needs in my feminism because that’s what feminism IS. It’s not my role to be the caretaker for every other cause out there. You don’t expect BLM to be intersectional. You don’t demand that the MRA is intersectional and you sure as fuck don’t ask the TRAs to be intersectional. By bleating on about and trying to bully women into caring about every other cause you’re spreading feminism too thinly so women’s needs, protections and rights get pushed right down the list of ‘causes’. Or is that the idea. 😒

Just leave intersex people out of it. We know hat it can happen but it has nothing to do with gender. Seeing as gender doesn’t actually exist. If it did then I must be a male.

Transactivists want to ban pussycats and any mention of female genitalia at these marches.

That's why the OP's link bangs on about pussies.

Female biology is exclusionary and transphobic.

Despite it being the bit of anatomy that Donald Trump said needed grabbing.

And despite being very reason why women are oppressed in first place.

*pussy hats! Not cats. I'm sure cats aren't transphobic.

Are they?