To be furious?! Women's march?

[Goldmonday]

Have been seeing posts like this being thrown round on social media the past couple of days....am I the only one who thinks the whole world has gone bananas and we are now taking a huge step backwards???

I find it interesting that whoever made that post apparently thinks that women from groups outside of black/Native/trans/white either don't exist or don't have feminist concerns that can be reduced to a blunt-edged stereotype.

@theForeigner
Yes, I'm the incomprehensible person who used the word 'hijacked' to describe the way intersex physiology has been co-opted into transgender politics.
Not sure why you have such a problem with understanding that male-bodied people continue to be a threat to female-bodied people.

Radical women are the only ones - at the moment - I really hope this changes soon - standing between your daughter and men like this or this sharing a bathroom, student halls of residence, changing room, hospital room...

I will give a warning - this is disturbing. This is autogynephilia. These are the TRAs (men) who want to share space with women - to "be" women.

It's poking fun at white feminism, and rightly so. It's a sham.

What is a cis woman?

No mention of disabled women I see. I suppose that isn't a trendy enough form of oppression...

HandMsMonkey one who is not trans

A cis woman is a natal woman.

Cis = your chosen gender matches your physical characteristics

Trans = you feel like you're trapped in the body of the opposite gender.

@bluescreen

I said "hijacked", it was you who was incomprehensible.

I didn't even really notice the trans part of the OP's screenshot. I saw it as saying CIS white women have less need or right to be on the march than others. That's why I am disappointed that the trans part is what was jumped on on this thread. It's divisive and women are doing it to themselves.

"Not sure why you have such a problem with understanding that male-bodied people continue to be a threat to female-bodied people"

I don't feel threatened. I don't live my life seeing men as a threat or infestation.

I don't care about mixed gender bathrooms, changing rooms, hospital rooms and I stayed in mixed student halls of residence. Is segregation the norm now?

@apathyisland

I thought disablism was very trendy - I guess it's just harder to wedge into 'men-are-bad-feminism'.

It's divisive and women are doing it to themselves.

No we're not! Men are doing it to us.

Women (some) are accepting it. Others rail against losing our hard won rights, and are called bigots,

cis woman is a natal woman.
Cis = your chosen gender matches your physical characteristics
Trans = you feel like you're trapped in the body of the opposite gender.

Gender is bollocks. "Woman" is not a feeling in a man's head.
Gender is not rubbish at maths, fluffy pink fairies, nail varnish, high heels or feeling nervous at interviews. Fuck that shit.

Dear god in heaven, how old are you, @theForeigner? Hats off to you if you're more than 30 and have no problem with sharing space with male bodies.

I thought disablism was very trendy - I guess it's just harder to wedge into 'men-are-bad-feminism'.

mental health issues, ME and occasionally even "high-functioning" autism are very trendy and easy for sjws to "self-diagnose" so they can "identify" their way into in their bid to win the oppression olympics.

this is a pain in the arse for actual autistic people etc.

Cis = your chosen gender matches your physical characteristics

I didn't chose a gender. I don't chose a gender. Frankly I wish gender would go away.

I am a women. The physical characteristics of being a woman have affected my life quite a bit. My "gender" whatever that is hasn't affected my life at all. Because of my biology as a woman, I have a lot of empathy and a lot in common with women from all over the world who share my biology. I think that frightens men.

I'd love to live in a world where what you chose as gender determines what happens to you - I decide to be a man but want to have children - I can have them but don't have to have pregnancy, primary post partum hemorrhage, stitched-up vulva, incontinence etc. Fab! How do I do that?

I have said this before on here. I am an adult adopted child. They told me I was my parent's child. And I was. If I started giving my parent's medical history at my medical appointments they would think I was deluded or just plain thick. Seriously - we ALL know when biology matters.

If a TIM who has prostate cancer is carted into the A&E shouting "I don't have prostate cancer, I'm a woman" They will call a psych consult - not an obygyn.

"No we're not! Men are doing it to us."

You know that redsatinsheets is a woman, right?

"White women voted for Trump"
"No country for white men"
"White feminism is not feminism"

(I think) @bluescreen told me I should leave MN because I don't agree with the radical stance taken by some feminists / marchers / women.

"Gender is bollocks. "Woman" is not a feeling in a man's head."

I think we can add innate mental differences between the sexes to the very long list of physical differences. I believe our hard-won rights are for equality of opportunity and to celebrate of femininity / womanhood / differences, not to deny they exist.

I don't think gender is a social construct and don't think trans people are the patriarchy's double-agents.

"Gender is not rubbish at maths, fluffy pink fairies, nail varnish, high heelsor feeling nervous at interviews."

Yeah, fuck that shit, dude!

Nervousness at interviews - that is a trait (neuroticism) which most studies and reports suggest women demonstrate more than men using established personality profiles. In evolutionary terms, it benefits men to go for broke and perceive threats as minimal but for women to be more cautious.

Neuroticism is usually defined as a predilection for mood swings, anxiety, jealousy or see threats and hostility where there might not be.

I'm well over 30. Thanks for illustrating another way of dividing women though. Why should age make a difference and why should I not want to "share a space with male bodies"?

correct me if i'm wrong but isn't neuroticism on par with "hysteria" in terms of outdated diagnoses given to women?

I just love ladybrain theories and unfalsifiable just so stories about life on the Savannah, that ever so conveniently make out that women are a bit shit.

@apathyisland

No. Neuroticism is on of the 5 basic dimensions (high-order) personality traits.

There is also openness, conscientiousness, extraversion and agreeableness.

There are established personality profiles and men and women tend to be different. The currently unanswerable debate is whether this is nature or nurture.

@Ereshkigal

"A bit shit" are your words. "ladybrain theories" too. Do enlighten us though as you're clearly well read on the subject.

(I think) @bluescreen told me I should leave MN because I don't agree with the radical stance taken by some feminists / marchers / women.
Not "should". It was a suggestion because you seemed very pissed off with the atmosphere. Understandably.

I think we can add innate mental differences between the sexes to the very long list of physical differences. How so? Do you have the slightest evidence for this?

I believe our hard-won rights are for equality of opportunity and to celebrate of femininity / womanhood / differences, not to deny they exist. So do I. We may possibly have a difference of opinion over definitions.

Nervousness at interviews - that is a trait (neuroticism) which most studies and reports suggest women demonstrate more than men using established personality profiles. In evolutionary terms, it benefits men to go for broke and perceive threats as minimal but for women to be more cautious.

Neuroticism is usually defined as a predilection for mood swings, anxiety, jealousy or see threats and hostility where there might not be.
Your point being?

Well it would be more grounded in reality than your thrilling speculations about how the sex roles developed. Sadly for you, I'm off to sleep now. Night night!

i just can't get behind the ladybrain idea

Nervousness at interviews - that is a trait (neuroticism) which most studies and reports suggest women demonstrate more than men using established personality profiles

Interesting. Could you link to any of these studies?

Interesting. Could you link to any of these studies?

Not a feeling in a man's head?

"Your point being?"

I was replying to your list of things gender is not.

"Gender is not rubbish at maths, fluffy pink fairies, nail varnish, high heels or feeling nervous at interviews. Fuck that shit."

Gender is likely to mean feeling nervous (or not) at interviews.

Agreeableness and neuroticism (traits men tend to exhibit less than women) are both likely to lead to nervousness and underperformance in stressful situations like interviews. This is not a "thrilling speculation" about "ladybrains" but acknowledged by most. It's often used as a possible explanation for the gender pay gap. Men are significantly more likely to ask for a pay rise or negotiate their contract.

@apathyisland - you don't have to. Clever people have done so on your (our) behalf.

@theaveragewife

Sure.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/games-primates-play/201201/gender-differences-in-personality-are-larger-previously-thought

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/

That second link is a little more in-depth but still interesting reading.

"By examining personality at the level of the 10 aspects of the Big Five, we demonstrated that gender differences in personality traits are even more pervasive than has typically been reported. In every one of the 10 traits assessed, significant gender differences were evident. For some Big Five domains, the aspect level traits showed gender differences in opposite directions, which helps to explain why gender differences are not typically evident for the Big Five domains of Conscientiousness and Openness/Intellect, and why the gender difference for Extraversion is typically very small."

"Clearly the average personalities of men and women are systematically different"

I'm not saying that this is open and shut, simply that there do appear (according to many important studies) to be mental as well as physical differences and that ∴ gender does exist ∴ transness is not a mental illness.

wow how polite. plenty of other clever people disagree.