To miss Mary Whitehouse?

[crunchymint]

Okay not her racism, sexism and anti gay views. But there is so much explicit sex and nakedness on TV now, I do wish there was someone in the public eye speaking out against it.

The off button works well.

Oh my god how much substantiation do you need? Even if you choose not to believe eye-witness accounts from people in relation to him saying that specific word, what about the rest of it? The piccaninny comment? The defence of racial discrimination? The comments about black men holding the whip over white? Where is your defence of all THAT?

I thought as much. I think it is despicable that you make such a disgusting and unsubstantiated statement about someone who cannot defend himself

Yeah poor old Enoch.

If you can't even bear to admit he was racist you are, quite frankly, utterly ignorant. Whether that's wilful or genuine stupidity I can't comment although I have an idea.

LyraPotter Hilarious. Some random on the internet claims that he said blah blah blah and you expect me to believe it. Do you believe everything a stranger tells you? I will let you have the last word here as I really can't be bothered to respond to such uneducated ignorance anymore. Over to you.

Oh wow this is still here.

@user so we should believe you? Because you're not a "random on the internet"? Do tell your credentials that make you such a voice of authority?

You're letting me have the last word because you know you can't defend the things Powell did and also maintain that you're not a racist, so you're slinking away with your tail between your legs.

fgs I can't believe this is still being discussed. Enoch Powell was racist. The end.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is either:

1. Deliberately obtuse
2. Uneducated
3. Katie Hopkins

So I've just read the whole of the 'Rivers of Blood speech. Anyone who reads that and still thinks Enoch Powell was not a racist is suffering from cognitive dissonance at a cosmic level. Every vilification aimed at the man because of this speech has been entirely justified. He sets up straw man arguments, uses the example of individual cases to extrapolate to entire populations, uses all the tricks polemicists through the ages have used to fool people. Oh. My God. This speech should be required reading for every child in British secondary schools so that they can learn how words can be used to twist minds.

I find your comments very difficult to believe i'm afraid.
Because my real life experience isn't something you want to hear?
My father worked with him when he was minister of health. I don't actually care whether or not you choose to believe me. I'm 60. I've been called names all my life and have been beaten up by the National Front.

Because he never ever indicated in anyn way that he was

Lol yeah, have you EVER heard racists describe themselves as such? Because I never have. The man was racist to the core. Sounds like he was your grandfather or you just have some sick crush on him.

What notaclevername said

Except i would like to add number

4. someone who uses a userrandomnumber name

Not always to be fair...but usually

Perhaps others need to read his speeches, note the support for minority white rule in what was at the time Rhodesia, and for white only rule in the UK.

My father worked with him when he was minister of health. I don't actually care whether or not you choose to believe me. I'm 60.

So when you were aged between 3 and 6 - perhaps a little young to be thinking of a Saturday job. However, I don't see how anyone can read the Rivers of Blood speech and conclude that Powell was not racist.

Cecily Actually he was around the house until I was about twelve for various reasons and in those days you could get a Saturday job at 13.

So he was still welcome in your house after the Rivers of Blood. Speech?

So he was still welcome in your house after the Rivers of Blood. Speech?
I rather think that it had to do with work and research. Because people turn up it doesn't mean they were welcome.

People showing their vaginas and penises (penii?) on tv for a date? This has passed me by. Disgusting.

cecily

I may well be misreading in which case ...apologies

But it seems that you were disbelieving Gilead, however 'innocently'

And now you are having a 'pop' at a decision her parents made (for whatever reason) many, many years ago

Back on track what are you all watching that is so full of sex?

I watch all sorts of stuff but very little of it has had sex in every other scene.
I love GOT and that had loads in it but since then not much.

What is this ‘family viewing’ everyone is talking about? Love Thy Neighbour? Benny Hill?
There is stacks on that is suitable family viewing.
If you might be offended by seeing a naked person then don’t watch a programme that has naked people in it and is made clear by the title having the word naked in it.

What is this ‘family viewing’ everyone is talking about?

In the 1970s, I seem to recall Jim Davidsons "Chalky" jokes were quite acceptable pre watershed ...

Nobody is defending racism and misogyny.
Sex scenes are very common in any drama series.

Sex scenes are very common in any drama series

We're clearly not watching the same things as I cannot remember the last time I saw a sex scene on TV

Maybe in the remake of Lady Chatterly but then that wasn't intended to be family viewing I imagine!

There's a lot of implausible shagging on pay per view. There was a realistic sequence in The Punisher where the Liebermans get it on after a year without and David can't last long enough. That was about the only one that wasn't daft softcore though, although I think Jason Stackhouse's cock made a brief appearance in True Blood.