To miss Mary Whitehouse?

[crunchymint]

Okay not her racism, sexism and anti gay views. But there is so much explicit sex and nakedness on TV now, I do wish there was someone in the public eye speaking out against it.

MW probably thought so or at best only for the purposes of procreation and you MUSTN'T enjoy it.

Like the June Whitfield character in that carry on film

Only one child - tried it once didn't like it

Is murder morally wrong? Many democratic governments carry it out to punish criminals.

Is murder morally wrong?

Yes, but what is murder but "unlawful killing". And laws are man made.

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it."

Attributed to Mark Twain.

The think about censorship, is I have never once seen proponents of it say that it's intended to stop me seeing something. It's always (on behalf of) someone else .Either children, or "the easily led" (whatever that means) or the impressionable always people that we can't seem to trust themselves ....

I quite like Strictly and Bake Off, I also like nakedness and sex scenes. Of course they’re not necessary but neither is red wine and I’d be devastated if that was banned.

As an aside I can think of two occasions where vetting a penis as a criteria for dating would have saved me an awful lot of trouble.

I admire the censors for being able to watch all this stuff we cannot be trusted with without it in any way harming them.

I admire the censors for being able to watch all this stuff we cannot be trusted with without it in any way harming them.

Well that's the not so subtle power of censorship ... you are either "in", or "out".

One of the criteria to visit the more ... ambiguous collections in the British Library used to be that one had to be a "gentleman of independent means". (Women, of course, didn't count for anything).

So Enoch Powell wasn't racist and Dr Who as it now is stands as an example of modern moral turpitude...

I think I'm going to choose to be on the side of moral turpitude rather than side with opinions like those.

'Think of the children'

Well, yes. Let's think about them. Don't dismiss the whole notion because of some sound bite that's little more than a meme.

I made the point upthread that I don't think suggestive scenes, or sex scenes (not nudity) are suitable for mixed company. But by mixed i mean generationally mixed. They are designed to be arousing, and who wants to be aroused on a drizzly Tuesday evening with Grandpa or your ten year old?

I don't want to ban it but on balance if it were the exception rather than the norm nothing woukd be lost

YANBU, OP. I am not a prude. I won't faint if i hear a swear word, but it seems that some shows use swearing for almost every other word. i think that is unneccessary. Also we do not need explicit bedroom scenes- we see the couple being all romantic, going towards their bedroom and we know what they are gonna do! we do not need to see it in detail. I do not like when TV scriptwriters just use sex to try and shock. it is like they are acting like little children going round screaming about bums and willies just to shock their parents.

User Enoch Powell was wrong about black people having power over whites, that has not happened yet, but the "rivers of blood?" Yes. if you consider Brixton and Nottingham riots

God the racism on this thread is depressing

I remember Enoch Powell telling me that I would have trouble getting a Saturday job because although not a 'Paki', I looked like one. He called my black friends niggers and was rude about them, funnily enough the term 'monkey' was often used too, and no, not as in the 'cheeky monkey' refrain. He was a racist. The fact that he had sweets whenever he dropped by to discuss work related issues with my father was neither here nor there.

Gilead

I find your comments very difficult to believe i'm afraid.

Ah snowflakes it's like overused trope bingo

Especially when combined with “leftie” sigh

@user1492877024 Enoch Powell was so behind his own times that he was immediately ostracised by his own party following that speech because unlike him they had learned from Dachau and Auschwitz exactly where sentiments of that kind lead.

Powell said that “In this country in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.” He said this in 1968, a time when it was still considered acceptable to refuse housing to black people, to deny them service in shops and hotels, to refuse to employ them on the basis of their race. And in the face of that obvious and brutal discrimination, Powell's only concern was preventing equality, out of fear that white people were losing the status they only held through brutality and aggression.

There is no way to defend Powell without first accepting that you are racist. His speech cannot be removed from its context - that it was spoken by a man who freely used the word n**r and piccaninny, who was a member of a club that only admitted white people, who wanted to see white people continue to be elevated over people of colour. He was despicable and any defence of him makes you despicable too.

LyraPotter

He said this in 1968, a time when it was still considered acceptable to refuse housing to black people, to deny them service in shops and hotels, to refuse to employ them on the basis of their race

Link please. Where in his speech does he use the word N**r. Also, please would you provide me with a link to the above statement.

LyraPotter Sorry, I can see that you're not claiming that he refused housing to black people etc. Please provide evidence that he freely used the N**r word.

user since you have already refused to believe a direct witness account, why should anyone offer you evidence of any kind? You will just choose not to believe it.

A link to what statement?

Do you know why Powell made that speech? It wasn't because of a crisis in immigration. He made that speech because there was about to be a second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, which would make it a civil offence to discriminate against people of colour in employment, housing, credit and insurance. Powell made his inflammatory and aggressive speech because he saw those legal protections as a sign that white people were losing their supremacy.

He didn't say n***r in that speech, but elsewhere as documented further up in the thread. He did say in that speech the phrase 'wide-grinning piccaninnies'. He suggested that a woman should be allowed to refuse service to black people on the basis of their race - and this is the man you're defending!

The big problem with Mary Whitehouse was that she led a witch hunt against movies she hadn’t even watched. People went to jail over them. Jail.

The same films are now on vod and have had their certificates downgraded.

If you don’t like something, don’t watch it.

LyraPotter

I thought as much. I think it is despicable that you make such a disgusting and unsubstantiated statement about someone who cannot defend himself. So, I ask you again. Please provide evidence that he made the N**r remark. You know you can't because you know it isn't true. Or, perhaps you too claim to have witnessed him saying as such.