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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask how you would feel if your adult child decided to emigrate to Oz or NZ

727 replies

CaraBosse1 · 16/01/2018 10:23

Be honest and don't say you'd be "cool" about it if you wouldn't really Smile

OP posts:
JassyRadlett · 18/01/2018 18:46

It certainly sounds like it Jassy - your Dad sounds great!

He’s ace. And his advice on avoiding relationships with men who are either angry or morose when drunk has served me well.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 18:48

jassy you can hold an opinion, but I think it's wiser to keep it to yourself. Hence my opinion that if I had stayed abroad I wouldn't be as happy. Whilst you see offering "options" it can seem as suggesting that it's a "better" optio. There is nothing worse than having other people's. Suggestions rammed down your throat.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 18:50

Health insurance. I can't even get that and I'm not even 50!

shazkiwi · 18/01/2018 18:51

I can honestly say I would be happy for my children & support them. Of course I would miss them, but in an ideal world my children would be happily settled and I would take huge comfort from that. I am the child of a parent who emigrated to "the other side of the world". In turn I also emigrated to "the other side of the world" so this scenario is familiar to me.

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/01/2018 19:01

There is nothing worse than having other people's. Suggestions rammed down your throat.

Gosh, you really don't get it.

It's called a discussion - something that's had between reasonable people, where ideas are tossed about, considered and debated.

JassyRadlett · 18/01/2018 19:03

jassy you can hold an opinion, but I think it's wiser to keep it to yourself. Hence my opinion that if I had stayed abroad I wouldn't be as happy. Whilst you see offering "options" it can seem as suggesting that it's a "better" optio. There is nothing worse than having other people's. Suggestions rammed down your throat.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree; there is a world of difference between ‘I hope you’ll consider this; I went to uni away from home and it was positive for me in a lot of ways, I think there are downsides to not trying new places when you’re young (which is focused on the future wellbeing and fulfilment of the young person, not laying out a defined course of action or place) and ‘if you leave here, I think it’s cruel and you’ll break my heart’ (focused on the needs and desires of the parent, applying emotional pressure to choose a defined course of action).

Why wouldn’t you say ‘I lived abroad, and I discovered it’s not for me’? That’s not applying pressure unless you then add ‘and therefore I think it’s not for you either, don’t try it.’

But then I think the approaches of our families to discussion and sharing opinions - and the expectation that advice will automatically be taken! - is radically different. I don’t recognise the characterisation of ‘other people’s suggestions rammed down your throat’ at all in my life. We share views, opinions and perspectives but ultimately we respect each other too much as individuals to impose ours on another.

Another thing I’m hugely grateful to my parents for. I know my mother counts it as a parenting success that she raised children who are all at different places in the political spectrum, and who have made their own choices and followed their own paths on religion and faith.

Nakedavenger74 · 18/01/2018 19:07

I'm closer to my parents 12000 miles away than I ever was in the same house or 300 miles away. That's my family's reality.

I was told by my dad to leave where I grew up as soon as I could. Why? Because I was the first to go to university and the place I grew up in had been decimated by Thatcher and was running at 80% male unemployment. Both parents unemployed when I left for London in 1993. Best advice I was ever given. My parents sacrificed proximity to me so I could fulfil my potential.

Me now being in NZ is simply an extension of that advice.

Butterymuffin · 18/01/2018 19:07

Fathers shouldn’t give advice to their kids? I’ll let DH know he’s off the hook

Advice, yes. But in your initial post you described him adamantly telling you what to including which university you could (not) go to. Not my fault you misrepresented your dad first time.

JassyRadlett · 18/01/2018 19:10

Not my fault you misrepresented your dad first time.

Agreed, but your post was still quite a bizarre stretch.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 19:19

No. I don't think offering suggestions and opinions in that way is helpful. Not passing comment is a hugely useful skill, much underrated. Indeed, when I have friends trying to suggest things - even in the nicest way - I find it irksome and certainly my children do!
One if the best things about my parents is they never pass much comment on my decisions. Fab.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 19:29

It's irrelevant whether going abroad was right, or wrong for me, I am not my DD and she is not me. That choice is hers . So I can have my opinions - about what I think is a good idea but that doesn't mean I think it's a good thing to share my opinions!

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/01/2018 19:32

You realise 'advice' is very different from 'passing comment on decisions already made'...?

pingoose · 18/01/2018 19:37

I'm closer to my parents 12000 miles away than I ever was in the same house or 300 miles away. That's my family's reality.

This is true for DH too. He was never going to settle in his home town, and we've seen the ILs as much since we moved to NZ 3 years ago as we did when we lived in London. Sure this will slow down as DD starts school, but we definitely make more of an effort.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 19:56

I don't want advice though!
So if my DD was mooting the thought of living in oz, would it be advice, comment, or pressure for me to say well you do know I can never visit. I can't travel due to insurance.

Looneytune253 · 18/01/2018 20:03

Haven’t rtft but reminds me of watching wanted down under and the mums (its usually the mums) crying at the camera making their son or daughter feel guilty about wanting to do it. It’s awful that they would want to hold their own children back like this for completely selfish reasons.

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/01/2018 20:15

I don't normally want advice, as an adult, either!

But I certainly appreciated those conversations with my parents when younger. It helped me understand why they made their choices, and to think about what might be right for me, too.

We will just have to agree to disagree - clearly!

And this will probably make some people apoplectic - so look away now, if you're of the 'it's selfish to move away' persuasion.

We had au pairs when the DC were younger.

Over the course of the year that the girls are with us, you become close and have lots of interesting discussions about all sorts of things.

I said to them that these are their years - to go out and explore the world, explore friendships and relationships, and take whatever time they need (long or short) to figure out what's right for them. I encouraged them with exactly the same message my Dad gave me, because I appreciated it so much.

Before anyone implodes at the inappropriateness of that - we're talking about teenagers who've traveled across the world, with no-one, knowing no-one, to experience life in a different culture, speaking another language. So they have a sense of adventure and independence already.

And - also before! - anyone says they can't be very close to their families. Think again. Most of their lovely families came out to visit, and they clearly had loving, close relationships with them. Skyped regularly, etc (not 'pathetic' Wink).

That's what happens when your support your children to do what they want.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 21:02

If you were giving that sort of advice to my DD id call it inappropriate.
IT would be most unwelcome. I was not so much older than that when I travelled and worked abroad, and quite frankly I would have been very annoyed if I was proffered advice of that ilk.

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/01/2018 21:08

I have absolutely no doubt that you would, Head!

Theshipsong · 18/01/2018 21:21

Why would you find it unwelcome Head? You said you travelled yourself at a young enough age?

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/01/2018 21:25

I suspect Head just needs to disagree with me, which is fine.

I don't think it is offensive to tell young people to explore and take time to figure out what's right for them (better than advising the alternative, surely?).

Besides - it's just a discussion. I'm not a mind-bender - everyone has free will, and will ultimately make their own decisions.

Headofthehive55 · 18/01/2018 21:34

No. I think it's inappropriate an an employer - particularly one who is responsible for housing as well to be offering up lifestyle advice. No matter how well meaning. The difference in status makes it an unequal conversation and one in which the younger employee can hardly disagree.

pingoose · 18/01/2018 21:41

Wow head, I'd suggest you definitely guilt trip DD into never leaving home, lest she have any outside influences. I'd consider it to be the same as my boss giving me career advice.

TheDowagerCuntess · 18/01/2018 21:46

I'm not going to get into the whole employer/employee thing, but if you're doing the au pair thing right, they become part of the family. It's somewhat different, let's say!

Theshipsong · 18/01/2018 21:52

But surely the aunpsirs in question are already spreading their wings as they have left their home country already? It is not as if anybody is going to their school and insisting they travel at x age which I actually think would be a great idea if financially possible.

TheElementsSong · 18/01/2018 21:56

But surely the aunpsirs in question are already spreading their wings as they have left their home country already?

Exactly! They have already committed the unnatural act of selfish violence against the meaning of family, they're pretty much lost causes Grin.

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