To wonder why this song is still ok to play on the radio

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Jealous Guy

Written and performed by a man who admitted he was violent towards women.

Just that really.

Think Annie Lennox's Precious is about motherhood?

:) love Annie Lennox

I find it really surprising how much air play Michael Jackson gets.

NancyJoan I was just thinking the same, I'm always surprised too how many musicians cite him as an 'inspiration' as if being talented somehow excused him being a massive paedophile. Bizarre.

I think it's okay to admire the art but not the artist.

Mouth cradle by Bjork is about Motherhood John lennon also wrote a couple about his Mother>

Mrs Jackson by outcast, they have came out and said it is primarily about single mothers, thats before we start getting into Indie music that doesn't get the air time on mainstream channels.

There is loads of empowering music out there, the problem is that music is such a layered art form some of it just doesn't break through due to genre etc.

Minnie Riperton's song Lovin' You is about motherhood!! I never knew. I don't think pop hits get bigger than that one.

Is that the one with the super-high pitch?

Well we don't think stabbing up all your cousin's family because you don't like their boyfriend is acceptable do we? But Romeo and Juliet is still staged.

Art is a microcosm of a moment and how someone felt then. It shouldn't really be censored.

I hate this new Puritanism of banning everything. It's like Mary Whitehouse on speed and just as pathetic. Can't wait until this trend is over (and it will end).

Google the lyric to Lovin' You. It's really not about motherhood.

Isn't there a 'everytime that we oooooooh' line in there?

If we banned all art because of content or criminal or moral failure by the artist, what would we be left with? Really struggling to think of any to be honest. Even the most right on of musicians tend to treat their partners pretty badly and regularly play around or trade up for a younger model.

I don't get the Michael Jackson thing either.
Is that what is called cognitive dissonance?
I don't care that he wasn't convicted. Rich men often dont get convicted do they?

I know people who will complain about men working in nurseries because peedos but won't hear a word said against MJ!

Because no grown man who filled his house full of toys and goodies and shared a bed with young boys ever did anything wrong hey?

And we know he is a liar because he swore he fathered those white children of his

It's really not about motherhood.

It was a lullaby she used to sing to her child, she herself has always gone on record as saying it is a song about motherhood.

stabbing up all your cousin's family because you don't like their boyfriend

Erm which version of R&J did you read??

Pop music is very different from lots of other art forms. There's often (admittedly not always) a very close relationship between singer and the 'voice' (for want of a better word) in the song. It's very much not the same as a Shakespeare play which displays good and bad and complex human behaviour for all to see and judge.

Romeo and Juliet is about the impact on young lovers of being in a violent warlike society. It's ok to talk about that!

That's the trouble with censorship. One person (me in 1992) might think "Lolita" is not espousing sex with 11 year olds and that any arousal felt by the reader is nothing to with the author.
Another person (me now) might however feel differently
Who is right?

Re "loving you" I doubt the original lullaby included the line "making love to you"

Did they change it to make it about sex not motherhood?

I hate this new Puritanism of banning everything. It's like Mary Whitehouse on speed and just as pathetic.

I'm not aware of it as a movement as such. Can you enlighten me, genuinely?

This thread, incidentally, isn't about 'banning' songs or creative material, although the OP keeps being accused of it!

Interesting thread. People talk about separtion of art and artist, and I think they have a point. But there are two points at which I can definitely no longer separate art and artist. The first is if the artistic piece itself explicitly promotes whatever issue I had with the artist. The second is whether the artist is still alive to profit from his/her work.

For example, since Gary Glitter had his first conviction and it became a matter of public knowledge that he was visiting Thailand rather a lot, I wouldn't buy a Glitter album. I am delighted the sums he receives in royalty cheques from UK radio stations will have dropped like stones.

1. explicit promotion of the selfsame attitudes or activities that concern me about the artist as a human beingrepugnant

Surely Lolita is about an unreliable narrator and a deluded middle aged man? Nothing very arousing about that.

I am quietly judging everyone who still uses the word 'banned' in their posts after it has been pointed out eleventy billion times that noone is actually advocating banning any song...

"Kinky Boots" bothers me. Particularly the line "sexy little schoolgirls".

I'm not for censorship on the whole, I think it's a dangerous road.

If I like a song, I want to hear it. I really don’t care about its background story. It’s just a song ffs.

This thread, incidentally, isn't about 'banning' songs or creative material, although the OP keeps being accused of it!

The OP has not answered the slippery slope argument which her question poses though.

One issue is, some music hits an emotional level, whether that is just the melody or the circumstances in which they first heard it, lyrics are often misinterpreted or just glazed over.

Did they change it to make it about sex not motherhood?

She had somewhat some control over it, but she admitted she padded it out with still being a lullaby wanting the baby to go to sleep so she could spend time with her other half.

She still considered it to be about motherhood though, and as its from her heart I am going to believe her, rather than reading the bare lyrics on the net without context.