To wonder why this song is still ok to play on the radio

[CoedynSbageti]

Jealous Guy

Written and performed by a man who admitted he was violent towards women.

Just that really.

That would be "bil" - not some bloke called Bill !

When I hear a song I don't like or approve of I just turn it off. Its not hard.

Lauryn Hill's Zion is a gorgeous song about impending motherhood.

When I hear a song I don't like or approve of I just turn it off. Its not hard.

Yep.

Other people think about whether it's right, what the implications are and whether we should explore change.

Thank you.

So that's two then. Set against thousands and thousands of songs about what it feels like to deal with violent urges.

It's imbalanced. Terribly.

I was just thinking about the motherhood songs...

Sade, Sweetest Gift
Minnie Ripperton, Loving You

The Huff lists 19 of them

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/19-songs-that-beautifully-capture-motherhood_us_572cd8f5e4b016f378959f62

But pop music/rock music has always been about sex. Even all the sappy power ballads. Sex.

There's nothing stopping people writing songs about motherhood/working as an accountant/ornithology if they want to.

Yes, let's get offended and ban everything we can think of. The past is another country, they do things differently there. We can inflict modern vales on stuff from the past.

That Minnie Ripperton song can't be about motherhood surely?

Yeah! Keep 'em coming :)

We need a normalisation of there being art about the female experience. Then those songs will be 50% of what's on the radio and counteract the "how I feel about my violence" songs.

Can't even.

I always lime ‘Coming around again’ by Carly Simon as a bittersweet take on motherhood.

The other day my daughters were doing a clapping song that I remember from the 70’s: ‘My boyfriend gave me an apple, my boyfriend gave me a pear, my boyfriend gave me a kiss on the lips and threw me down the stairs...’

They still sing this in the playground

I like Carly Simon’s Love of my Life (clear it’s about a child not a man). I was going to say Kim Wilde’s You Came but it was written with her brother about his son. I like the songs by men about dc actually as I think it’s more expected that mothers will be besotted with babies and write about them! Very fond of Ronan Keating’s Somebody Else about a baby.
Or Kate Bush, This Woman’s Work? (Though very sad)

Well maybe, just maybe, music could do with being about a wider variety of things.

Motherhood is not a failure to be talking about sex, a dry profession or a specialised interest. It is the central experience of most women's lives. But what we sing about is what it feels like to be a bloke on a bike.

An not just songs about being powerless like "The Kick Inside". Songs about everything.

And songs about sex from our POV too. Lots please :)

Like salt n peppa

But there's nothing currently preventing female songwriters from writing about motherhood is there?

Someone upthread said they didn't like all the objectification of women in pop videos. But it was ok because she just switched them off and that was 'problem solved'. Ffs. That's a weird way to 'solve' a problem - just turn your back on it!

Heaven forbid we should, you know, think about stuff and evaluate the stuff that surrounds us.

I think OP was bemoaning the fact that people don't analyse popular culture. They just suck it up and see it as 'normal'. No one is advocating censorship or banning stuff- but if we all thought critically about material, perhaps no one would want to hear misogynistic lyrics played on the radio. We're all pretty much in agreement, as a society, that we don't want to hear Gary Glitter. Because that's an easy one - doesn't require much analysis.

Debbie Harry songs are very cool imo because her lyrics are about a woman looking at a man sexually, not just being looked at IYSWIM.

"Please don't bother trying to find her, she's not there"

I always thought that meant she legged it, wasn't reliable, had broken his heart, but anyway, was the "one that got away."

If that lyric could only be about a murder then every other song every written is about BBQing swamp rats on Saturn. I declare this to be cast iron fact on the basis of equally bad evidence.

"But there's nothing currently preventing female songwriters from writing about motherhood is there?"

That's a good question.
Is there nothing?
And if there is nothing, where are those songs on the radio?

When you think about possible answers to those questions they are a bit depressing.

Lennon’s song were often very personal too personal at times

He was far from perfect many people are violent but have a talent and that talant has touched or bought happiness to others

People are complex some very nasty people have done some fantastic work so no I don’t think songs/films should be banned

Perhaps if people developed their musical tastes beyond what's played on Radio 1 they'd find a more fruitful world of music out there.

Whenever I've heard the radio playing in a shop or wherever it seems to be dedicated to the anaemic pap of Ed Sheeran or the overblown ballads of Adele. There's a lot more to music than the current big players.

There are long lists of pop songs about motherhood, not hard to find if you google.

I'm playing Sweet Devotion now.
Gosh, can you imagine the celebration pop songs when Trump finally leaves the White House?

The Carly Simon song is nice, thank you.
My friend had that "love at first sight" thing when her baby was born. Am jealous I was too knackered.

I really don't think that something being searchable on google constitutes progress. I mean, you can probably google songs about accountancy too.