To wonder why this song is still ok to play on the radio

[CoedynSbageti]

Jealous Guy

Written and performed by a man who admitted he was violent towards women.

Just that really.

It's definitely something of a Blurred Line...!

And actually not talking about banning any song.

TBF you said it shouldn't be played on the radio.
That is pretty much banning.

Sorry, I was replying to BetteDavisEyes

These conversations always make me think of the Gill fonts.
That man was vile.

I was humming away to Abba's "Does your mother know that your out?" The other day on the radio and then when I stopped and realised the actual words in the lyrics I was shocked. They probably wouldn't have released it in this day and age. Squeaky clean Abba as well!

"Liking a 40 year old tune whilst understanding the flaws of the artist behind it is not the same as going for a drink with your sex offender neighbour because he is right laugh despite all the rapes."

I agree with you, because I separate the creator from the work.

And there is no means to ban an artiste completely anyhow. It's all down to individual stations catering for what they believe to be the prevailing public mood. Why is why you still hear Gary Glitter before major fixtures in USA, even though I doubt a British outlet would touch anything by him.

Drove all night was written by men just recorded by Cindi Lauper was originally meant for Roy Orbison

guestofclanmckenzie Interesting. I had thought of that particular Abba number as being more about the older man showing concern that the young girl is out so late. He does say "I can read in your face that your feelings are driving you wild" etc but let' s be honest here- teenage girls DO have sexual feelings. It would be different if the song was saying it is a young girl's fault that she gets taken advantage of.

TheFirstMrsDV - I didn't actually say it shouldn't be played, just wondering why it is ok. I was kind of hoping for a discussion.

Drove All Night... includes him asking if it is alright if he does so!

Not quite the same as sneaking in and ^not* waking her and checking it was OK first!

I think the Abba song is about how this girl is too young to be flirting with him. “I’m not going to take a chance in a chick like you,” which very sensible really.

Op - what are you trying g to protect people from exactly?
Domestic violence is not ‘normalised’ anymore - far from it in fact.

Catsize Am glad I am not alone in hating that song! Just a couple using insults on each other. So not Christmassy at all. I hate when Christmas songs are about miserable stuff.

Coedyn I think it's something about the time it was released. At the time perhaps Lennon's behaviour and the behaviour referenced in the song was more accepted in society, or perhaps it was that people didn't question the content of music/art in general as much as they do today. For whatever reason, both Lennon as a person and that particular song were accepted and even loved at the time it was released. Nowadays perhaps they wouldn't be, but the song (and other songs like it) has now become such a part of the cultural fabric of our own time that it's difficult to weed it/them out.

Where do you stop if you start censoring stuff not based on the thing itself but on the person who created it?

And bearing in mind the thing created is there to be analysed, unchanging of itself, while the woman or man who created it can radically change through the duration of their life...

Saoirse31 - I was kind of looking at what it was in combination with who it was iyswim.

There are many bad things happening in the world, people write about them, people make songs about them, people make films about them, I read books, listen to songs, watch films..... if the subject matter offends / upsets me then I stop reading / listening / watching, a lot of what is out there is educational, some is anecdotal, some is pure 'titillation' we each get to decide where our personal boundaries lie and for me it is not about banning things especially when they were a product of their time,it is about deciding if I still find them interesting / amusing/ entertaining or downright offensive or painful. I still singmany old favourite songs with downright inappropriate lyrics they do not incite me to sexual inappropriateness / violence etc, they make me think about how times have changed... mainly for the better. we cannot rewrite history.

Fairytale of New York makes me incredible happy, I don't care what the lyrics are actually about

Things were different in the 1960s. It doesn’t make it right, but it does put it in context.

I think if you got rid of everything from the past that featured men talking about demeaning women, or was made by a man who treated women badly... then thered be hardly anything left. Unfortunately that is how things used to be.

He also made it clear when he was older that he was ashamed of his behaviour.

I love that song. I always took "hurt you" to mean hurting her feelings not hitting her.
www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnlennon/jealousguy.html

I am uncomfortable watching Johnny Depp now, loved him as a teenager. Michael Jackson too, great songs, not behaviour I’d want to be seen condoning. James Brown. I think men are excused for their behaviour far too often.

Drove All Night... includes him asking if it is alright if he does so

I much prefer Cyndi Laupers' version.