To think the no pubes thing is a trend....

[inmyshoos]

My previous career had me seeing people's genitals on a daily basis. Most had full pubic hair. Now I can see (mostly on naked attraction) that fully shaved is the fashion.
But was slightly surprised when a 50 something friend of mine said he prefers shaven as I assumed he would be less 'trendy' like me with my 80s stylefanny
Is it just a personal preference?? In my day at work it was defo rare to see fully shaved. Out of 20 people you'd be lucky if 2 were bald!

Wulf, I really am glad about that because ultimately I think we want the same thing here.

Italiangreyhound, thank you for those links, I'm going to read them tomorrow when I'm a bit more awake. I don't think it matters that they're old tbh as it's still the same problem that it ever was.

Going slightly off the point of porn now to why our girls (in particular) tend to feel such low self-worth? I look at my contemporaries and see them here, posting on threads about 'being judgemental about x, y, z'. Those judgements tend to be about women and it concerns me because that's what girls have to look forward to - school 'friends' and insidious bullying about faces that don't fit - and into adult life with school playground mums - and onto a chatboard like this where the 'judgemental' threads reach 800+ posts before you know it.

I would so love to see a unified revulsion of these things that are making our girls feel less-than so that they can grow into confident and self-assured women, perpetuating a positive cycle for once.

I've typed so much! ... on that point I'm off to bed, night all.

Night night Lying

" A bit like filed and polished nails versus untended nails"

Mine are filed and a nice shape but unpolished DH has emphysema (COPD) and cant cope with the fumes. I had to give up nail polish years ago because the smell and the fumes would affect his airways.

Since porn has been mentioned so much on this thread I thought I would have a look for myself. Now feel free to take this with a pinch of salt because it is by no means a comprehensive study but out of Pornhub's top ten most popular porn stars, the split between shaved and hairy is exactly 50/50.

A friend's daughter told us how her initial exploratory fumblings with boys her own age always ended in revulsion from those boys, appalled at her pubic hair. They found it disgusting. The poor child wanted extra sensitive removal cream to rid herself of it, but my friend talked her out of it.

Given that those boys had pubic hair themselves, they were either all pervs watching child porn (unlikely), their mothers shaved (unlikely, all women in their 40s/50s, 10 years ago), or that's what they saw in porn.

Maybe your voting viewers were all much older men?

@Jux that is so very sad.

All men should be delighted we are even remotely sexually interested in them!

I quite agree, Italiangreyhound. That girl is now in her 20s, and thanks to her mum, at least in part, she totally has that attitude. "Tell me why I should even look at you" is how she often comes across to some of the oiks round here (there are nice lads about too, but there are a lot of oiks).

I think my dd is following her example pretty well too.

Our aim is for girls to know their worth, not be grateful for make attention. It is quite hard with the prevailing attitude that men are the favoured and women are there for their convenience. Luckily, that attitude is changing but awfully slowly. In the 50s, 60s and 70s my mum, her sisteers, my cousins, me, we were all working on the assumption that by the time we were old things would be different.

Sorry I've not rtft yet.

IME the itching drives me mad. Not going to be a trend for me, and like it or leave it. Seems I am in the minority tho.

Tried a few 'if you shave I will' comments. Strangely, never got taken up on that...

All men should be delighted we are even remotely sexually interested in them!

Right, and all women should be delighted men are even remotely sexually interested in them!

@WhatToDoAboutThis2017

Thought someone would be interested in my comment! Men not being sexually interested in me is very far down my line of things I care about!

My dh is sexually interested in me, and has committed to me. But the interest of random men is quite far from my horizon.

Men, in my limited experience, seem far more interested in sex than the women I know, when we were younger and now.

So I think if men want women to be sexually interested in them they should be a lot nicer than a lot of them are.

Italiangreyhound you make a lot of sense to me. We could be friends in rl I'm sure

@inmyshoos thanks

@WhatToDoAboutThis2017 I'm not as much of a man-hater as I come across! But I read this, and I just see young women being pressurized into things they don't want!

fightthenewdrug.org/sex-before-kissing-15-year-old-girls-dealing-with-boys/

Plus remember when women refer to themselves as a man-hater, what they often mean as they are cautious of men, suspicious of men etc.

Where as women-haters are more likely to do real harm to women!

I don't mean men any harm, real or otherwise. However, not being sexually interested in them isn't a real harm. We don't owe men our attention. As they don't owe us their attention.

I agree with you,ItalianGreyhound. As for women being grateful men are interested in them, that would be an OK sentiment if it were an even playing field. It's not.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017

Right, and all women should be delighted men are remotely sexually interested in them!

You're a strange one WhatsToDo!! What an odd thing to say, it made me think that you might actually be a male person on Mn.

But no, I scroll back, to find that you are late twenties, very vocal in your defence of pube shaving and your enjoyment of anal sex.

I'm still a bit suspicious though! Maybe a gay Mner?

Be as suspicious as you like; won’t change the fact that I’m a woman whose choices are different to yours.

All people are different, you know. Not every woman has to have the same opinions as all other women.

I’m also not quite sure how you think my statement is odd. It’s not as if it came out of the blue; it’s literally the exact same thing a pp said with the genders changed round.

It is a trend maybe one that might stay around

I worked as a beauty therapist (in west end expensive salon) and 20 years ago I was only asked once (women happened to have a prince from the Middle East boyfriend)

I can remember her asking me and I was shocked I have never been taught how to fully wax, someone in the salon advised her where she could get it done (though I had heard about it as it’s done in North Africa and the Middle East and my ex sil had told me I should get it done)

I did hundreds of bikini waxes and that was the only time I was asked it it was mentioned

And yes I do feel it’s the influence of porn that has led to this trend

I don't know a single one of my male friends who haven't made some comment at some point or other that they favour "laminate" over "carpet".
I can understand, as i genuinely DO think bald or very little well styled and tamed hair looks best on women, yet i prefer males with some moderate well tamed hair and don't find bald particularly attractive.

I am genuinely embarrassed when asked even amongst close friends if i shave/wax or not and don't answer, because if i was able to remove it all i absolutely would. HOWEVER, due to issues with a skin condition i end up with literally hundreds of tiny whiteheads and they become very painful and some can progress to full on boils/cysts. And the itching is unbearable and due to having OCD i can't scratch even through clothing without feeling contaminated and immediately need to properly wash my hands without touching anything in between.

I don't think there's anything "weird" or "creepy" or in anyway suggestive of an attraction to pre pubescents to have a preference for no hair. It's not really any different to not liking men with moustaches or beards.

I've enjoyed this thread. I do live a good debate, even on something like pubic hair

So fwiw I am dark haired and hairy. Literally if I leave my legs within 3 months they look like a man's. I have to regularly wax my upper lip. I also have very sensitive skin making waxing/shaving a nightmare.
Usually I use hair removing cream from my toes to my bikini line once a week. This keeps me looking ok. I prefer it for me. I'm not in a relationship so no one but my kids see me naked. My pubic hair was a definite 80s bush.
So I read this thread and also talked with a friend who is also hairy and sensitive
She uses a bikini trimmer, full bush down to a few mm so looks very tidy but not naked. She says she prefers it for hygiene/appearance/sensitivity. So I tried it. So far I like it. I'm less sweaty (attractive eh but it's the truth ) and I feel like I'm loving myself, in a well turned out kind of way. I look tidy

But I still feel this is for me, looking after me and not for any man.

I wish the anal sex vs pubes thread had been left to stand.

Other than porn I don't see a connection between the two personally.

It was a cracking thread for breakfast time though.

I can imagine....

@WhatToDoAboutThis2017 "It’s not as if it came out of the blue; it’s literally the exact same thing a pp said with the genders changed round."

That's very true.

However, as someone else said, it's not a level playing field.

Do you think large numbers of young men are being pressurized into having objects pushed up their bums by young women?

I don't think so.

I mean I am not saying it never happens but I don't think it is the serious issue it is for young women today. Did you read that link I posted? You do not need to, but if you do it might explain where my comment is coming from.

I think the reason this all ties in with the thread is because the connection is porn, and how it appears that porn is affecting the way men, especially (but not exclusively) young men behave towards (or have expectations towards) women.

@AlmostAJillSandwich I've had OCD too, mine was/is very mild and I've kind of still got it but not the hand washing thing like I once had, so you have my empathy on that.

Can I ask why you are "genuinely embarrassed" about this question?

IMHO You have options, you could tell the truth (but do not need to), you can evade the question, you could lie (never my favorite option but it is an option) or you could tell anyone asking it is none of their business!

Who are these people asking you and making you feel embarrassed?

I am 52 and as far as I can remember not a single person in my life has ever asked whether I shave my fanny.

Please do not be embarrassed, it is none of their business and whatever answer is appropriate for you is 100% OK.