To think the no pubes thing is a trend....

[inmyshoos]

My previous career had me seeing people's genitals on a daily basis. Most had full pubic hair. Now I can see (mostly on naked attraction) that fully shaved is the fashion.
But was slightly surprised when a 50 something friend of mine said he prefers shaven as I assumed he would be less 'trendy' like me with my 80s stylefanny
Is it just a personal preference?? In my day at work it was defo rare to see fully shaved. Out of 20 people you'd be lucky if 2 were bald!

Fast, it's your vulva not your vagina.

So you haven’t tried anal sex then, as I thought, which means you don’t have an accurate or informed opinion on it.

This comment is disgusting. So you need to try a sex act before deciding whether you like it or not? Everyone should be able to say NO with no questions asked and no reason needed. As if women don’t know their own mind and should have to try anal sex before they are allowed an opinion on it! Anal sex is not usual for most women and they are allowed to think whatever they like about it without having to try it first.

I hate a full muff, I think it looks foul. And if I were a bloke there's no way I'd be going down on a woman who didn't tend their lady garden.

I have had a considerable amount of my vulva lasered to permanently remove hair, and a bimonthly wax to clean up around my labia and anus.

I do feel my daughter (10) is in for a shock when she gets pubic hair!

@shhhfastasleep pedantic but ok

those who strongly imply non-shavers are dirty.

Where has anyone said this??

This is how you have chosen to interpret posters saying that they personally FEEL cleaner, which is entirely different to stating something IS cleaner and by inference the opposite dirty. Posters have even quoted their own personal experiences of when having their period, to be met with sarcastic pearls of wisdom like this one:

"Another hint: Wash regularly and change your Sanitary Protection of choice regularly.
Perhaps we should all be locked in a hut when we are on our periods to stop the milk from curdling"

Way to go for sisterly solidarity.....

Who is disapproving of whom? Not me saying shaving /waxing is cleaner (implicitly not shaving/waxing is dirty) or "sex is better for the shaven/waxed of pube" (implicitly not shaving/waxing = can't have great sex).

Again not one single person has said that removing hair IS cleaner or that sex is better for EVERYONE - they've only stated their own personal experiences and why hair free is their personal preference.

Farmerswife- why do you hate hair?

Asked my husband about hair and oral sex and he said 'but there's no hair where you are actually putting your mouth....'

I didn't realise until watching Naked Attraction how much I prefer the aesthetic of a bit of hair. Totally bald can look a bit too similar to a plucked chicken for my liking... I think hair frames everything nicely, like eyebrows frame the face

At the risk of sounding like a goady perv, could someone claiming that sex is better hairless please explain HOW? I'm racking my brains and I just can't imagine how it could make a difference. Surely the crucial places involved in the actual sex aren't aren't the hair-covered bits, anyway? Is it a confidence thing because you don't have to worry about what the bloke's thinking about your hairy minge so you enjoy it more?

Ooh cross post Mairead!

Who is disapproving of whom? Not me saying shaving /waxing is cleaner (implicitly not shaving/waxing is dirty)

Didn't you say not shaving was cleaner and healthier, thus implying those who do are dirty and unhealthy?

Either way I don't think anyone saying that they personally feel cleaner or healthier one way or another is the issue; implying people's partners are paedophiles or that they're unthinking sheep who are contributing to the continued subjugation of womankind, like some PP have done, is another matter.

At the risk of sounding like a goady perv, could someone claiming that sex is better hairless please explain HOW?

I personally find that the area of skin that is usually covered by hair is actually pretty sensitive, which I can't feel when the hair is there, kind of like a barrier? It's really noticeable when I shower - I can feel the water running over my pubic bone and I can't as much if I'm due to go for a wax and a bit hairy.

Of course, everyone has different levels of sensitivity too.....

No different to shaving any other body part arms, legs face whatever.

Personal choice.

I like it when my dh is shaven as in no hair at all. I don't like giving oral without it shaved. As hair makes me gag.
Thankfully dh prefers to be shaved anyway
Don't think that makes me we did or "into young children "

Makes me weird *

Some posters seem so self absorbed that they've personalised every single post and construed it to be about them. Mumsnet is going to seem like a very hostile place if you manage to perceive every other expression of personal opinion as a dig.

To clarify: some women FEEL that they are cleaner, tidier, periods are easier to deal with. Some women PREFER the sensation of a smooth skin during sex. That is not a judgement about ANYONE else.
Others don't. Simple.

I was all off for the last 10 years.
The first time I tried to do a bikini line I kept making it uneven and trying to correct it, I ended up shaving it all off and that's that lol

So you hadn't tried anal sex then, as I thought, which means you don't have an accurate or informed opinion on it

WatchTheFoxes
As you so rightly commented, this statement made by WhatToDoAboutThis2017 is really disgusting.
There have also been posters who have snidely asked how some posters were commenting on anal sex when this post is obviously about pubic hair.
If they had to read the thread they would have seen, in page 1 @ 08.24
OP said:
Great post glitterunicorns well written.
I too agree that it's added pressure on women. I have similar feelings about ANAL SEX but that is another thread. And again from previously having a career in sexual health I know that this (anal sex) had definitely been 'normalised' in recent years probably due to porn.

Having read all this post, it is obvious that two or three people have tried to "shut down" anyone else's opinion that did not agree with theirs.
We can't have normal debate because of bullies like these.

Have trimmed and such before, not really for me.

DD who is only 13 is under intense pressure at school to shave the little bit she has off She was in tears over the teasing last weekend. Not from the boys mind, the girls were telling her how dirty she is for having hair there when they were changing for swimming and the girls seem to find it hilarious to keep calling her lushybushy. Poor kid, she has only just started developing, is scared shitless of periods and such, and is not being teased for this. I don't remember getting teased over pubes at school...about everything else but not pubes.

DSD and she is NOW being teased for this, not not being teased

Can’t believe that girls are now teasing each other for having pubic hair, how awful. I really hope that your DSD doesn’t give in to peer pressure Bat.

Personally, I resent the feeling of obligation to remove any of my body hair. I recently went away for a holiday and knew I would be in a swimsuit every day and felt totally obliged to remove my leg hair, armpit hair and any pubic hair that might be visible around my bikini line etc. And I totally resented the fact that my DH had no such obligations. I know I don’t have to but I don’t want to be the woman that other people are looking at because she’s got her winter body on. (Quite a lot of hair was removed, I could have made several wigs for small animals)

@sunshine11 what are you going to tell your 10 year old if she asks if she should remove her pubic hair?

Maybe instead of putting yourself in the mind of a man lucky enough to have the chance of being intimate with women, you should put your mind on what this hair removal might tell a young girl about herself.

Everyone should be free to do as they wish with their own body but the idea that girls are being shamed and pressurized about this is utterly shit and appalling.

I am so sorry @BatShite that your 13 year old is being teased. Schools should be telling young people their natural bodies are totally fine as they are not. Not providing any platform for children to be bullied. Changing rooms should not be communal for just this reason, I think.

This makes me so sad.

... totally fine as they are and not providing....

I mean

I am 44 and despite having tried waxing, veet, shaving etc in my 20s, the itching and ingrown hairs just doesn't seem worth the hassle. Try to keep it tidyish these days, if only so that poor DH doesn't end up inadvertently flossing when he's down there. I wonder, is the pressure to be bald coming from the media, our peers or men? Is it really what men prefer? Seems hypocritical of the young ones with full face fungus. Poor Germaine Greer has probably given up on us all. I shall encourage my 8 year old to love her bush.

@Praguemum We must not forget capitalism. Why would anyone want women to just be natural when they can sell us wax, veet, razers and whatever else. Plus most things that affect women do come subtly via men, I think it is coming from porn but that doesn't mean all men are watching porn, just that the assumption may be there. It's a long running thing in some cultures that women are not good enough for men unless they've one something to themselves!

This clip is well-known, it doesn't mention women shaving! But it does show what is expected of women....

Really glad you will encourage your dd to be natural.

done something to themselves, sorry, typos!

Seems hypocritical of the young ones with full face fungus

Very good point.

I wouldn't fancy that particular combo at all