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To think Oprah being the potus would be amazing

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Ieatcake · 08/01/2018 23:06

Female, black and lesbian would restore my faith in the world. Trump's supporters would hate that and she seems far more suited than him. She would walk it right?

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Ieatcake · 10/01/2018 09:33

I doubt the Russian interference did much, they've tried to in every election just as the us has been minipulating many other countries elections for decades!

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80sQueen · 10/01/2018 09:36

Nah, I don't see Oprah doing this, only because I don't think she would want to endure the eight years of vile racism that Obama and his family went through. Michele included

BertrandRussell · 10/01/2018 09:37

“A candidate without Hillary's baggage would have beaten him”

Oh my word, the emails........

Are you seriously suggesting that Clinton had more baggage than Trump?

80sQueen · 10/01/2018 09:37

Also given that white females voted for trump in huge overwhelming numbers I don't see this ever happening

CrazyExIngenue · 10/01/2018 09:39

I don't think she's compliant enough in nature for the 'powers that be' to allow it to happen.

Have you seen the current President's tweets? Confused

Leilaniiii · 10/01/2018 09:41

CrazyExIngenue, yeah but the difference is that everyone just thinks he's a twat, people actually respect Oprah.

BMW6 · 10/01/2018 09:41

POTUS

President Of The United States

Eltonjohnssyrup · 10/01/2018 09:44

Are you seriously suggesting that Clinton had more baggage than Trump?

Not just the emails. Bill's sexual behaviour and her response, Whitewater, questions about the Clinton Foundation, Pay & Play.

The problem for Clinton was that all her baggage had a direct effect on how she would be in office. Trump might have (for example) questionable moral baggage around his sex life, but that doesn't necessarily translate to being untrustworthy in office. Kennedy for example was a total sexual incontinent but not a bad president.

You can overlook private misdemeanours in a way it's not possible to ignore those committed while in office. Which worked in Trump's favour.

BertrandRussell · 10/01/2018 09:45

In what way is Oprah qualified to be the President of the USA?

makeourfuture · 10/01/2018 09:46

I doubt the Russian interference did much

But if it is a close one....

LaurieMarlow · 10/01/2018 09:51

In what way is Oprah qualified to be the President of the USA?

There are no qualifications that are necessary to be POTUS.

Leilaniiii · 10/01/2018 09:53

In what way is Oprah qualified to be the President of the USA?

She's American.

Roussette · 10/01/2018 09:59

How can anyone on here say that they doubt the Russian influence did much for the election when even the American people and those heavily involved don't know that for sure yet

HipNewName · 10/01/2018 10:05

There are no qualifications that are necessary to be POTUS

Actually, there are 4 requirements:

  1. a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, (which is why Arnold Schwarzenegger can't be president)
  1. a resident for 14 years,
  1. and 35 years of age or older.
  1. You also have to be registered to vote to run for an office. If you are convicted of a felony, you can't register to vote*, so in a round about way, felons can't be president.

*After a certain period of time, felons can ask to have their civil rights restored, and then register to vote. Hopefully, we'll never elect a felon, but since we elected Trump, god only knows what the American public is capable of.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 10/01/2018 10:08

Because the much touted Russian interference in the Brexit referendum turned out to be something like £8.62 of Facebook adverts.

And because of the rumblings coming out of reliable channels in Washington plus the charges levelled so far. All the signs point towards Mueller's focus being financial impropriety and money laundering rather than collusion with Russia. The evidence of collusion with Russia is shaky at best. Unless you're determined to convince yourself which some people seem to be. The evidence of money laundering and financial misdeeds however seems to be solidifying.

LaurieMarlow · 10/01/2018 10:08

Apologies I meant academic/experience qualifications.

Anyway, Oprah would appear to meet all of those.

HipNewName · 10/01/2018 10:25

Both Clinton and Trump are slimy bastards, and most Americans know it. Most Americans picked who they felt was the lessor of 2 evils. (No one I know was excited about who they were voting for).

OK - it's 3 am where I live and I've started drinking. I typed up a long post about how bizarre the election was where I live, but I suspect it made me look a little crazy, so I deleted it.

I live in the "greatest county in the world" (but married to a Brit which is why I like Mumsnet) and yet I no longer trust our electoral system. Something went very wrong. Very wrong.

Ieatcake · 10/01/2018 11:54

Both Clinton and Trump are slimy bastards, and most Americans know it. Most Americans picked who they felt was the lessor of 2 evils.

Yep they are, but in different ways and for different reasons.

I don't know why anyone other than idiots like Katy Perry or Lena Dunham couldn't actively support either.

This is what reality TV has done to the world.

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vwlphb · 10/01/2018 15:25

We have a 100 senators, and it's quite hard for a junior senator to make a name for themselves. I suspect the average American can only name 5 senators: their 2 plus a few of the big names, McCain, Warren, etc. We have 55 governors (50 states plus 5 territories). Most people know their governor plus NY and California, and perhaps another one who has done something ridiculous lately that made it into the news. Why would someone in say New Mexico care who the governor is of Maine? This is a HUGE country, and parts of it are thousands and thousands of miles away from other parts of it.

Yeah, this is what I mean. I don't even live in the States and off the top of my head I can name a dozen senators and five or six governors. We have a different electoral system in my country but we have 120 members of Parliament, so more than 2/3 of the US. I could name at least half of them and tell you what party and (more or less) what electorate they're from, their general policy position and a few details about them (eg key portfolios, important bills etc).

I consider myself only moderately interested in politics. This is basic citizenry stuff.

SenecaFalls · 10/01/2018 15:43

You also have to be registered to vote to run for an office. If you are convicted of a felony, you can't register to vote, so in a round about way, felons can't be president.

The process for getting on the ballot in presidential primaries varies from state to state and party to party, but any requirement in addition to the Constitutional requirements could probably be challenged, although it is unlikely to happen because no one in their right mind would run for president who is not a registered voter.

As to felons not being allowed to vote, in many states the right to vote is automatically restored after serving the sentence. In only a few states, is it possible for disenfranchisement to be permanent, and in those there are procedures to petition for voting rights to be restored. At the other end of the spectrum, two states allow felons to vote while in prison.

JaneJeffer · 10/01/2018 17:28

Just because Oprah is good at public speaking doesn't mean she would make a good president.

To think Oprah being the potus would be amazing
HipNewName · 10/01/2018 18:44

Yeah, this is what I mean.

You said that only former senators or governors can successful make a bid for president because they are the only one's with name recognition and I disagreed with that. Most don't have wide name recognition. They reason they are the ones most likely to make a successful bid is that those are the jobs most Americans think prepare one to be president, and the jobs most likely to help a person create a track record of results that they can use to campaign.

So it's not that they have name recognition before they run, it's that they are the one's who can point to their accomplishments running a state or creating legislation, and use those accomplishments to create a name for themselves in the very early stages of the campaign.

we have 120 members of Parliament, so more than 2/3 of the US

Parliament isn't the equivalent of the Senate. Parliament has 2 houses, and CONGRESS has 2 houses. The Senate is just one of those houses. The other house is "The House of Representatives," which has 435 members. I'm not sure why you want to be competitive about it, but most Americans know it exists and can name significant members of it, as well.

Additionally, we have key figures in the national government who are not members of congress: 16 cabinet members and 9 supreme court judges. I'm not sure how relates to the British System. Knowing those people and where they stand is more important than knowing the senators from Rhode Island, or the governor of Wyoming.

Each state has their own representative government (mine has another senate and another house, and another supreme court). Most states are divided into counties, which also have elected officials, and cities, which also have elected officials. In most places, we also elect our school boards.

It's a butt ton of people to keep track of just those who represent one's self, as well as the leadership of the elected bodies, and the elected officials in the large states and cities. I suspect most Americans can name the mayor of the largest city in their state, even if they don't live in that city.

As to felons not being allowed to vote, in many states the right to vote is automatically restored after serving the sentence

I agree that it is complex and varies from state to state. Civil rights and felons is a dynamic issue right now because the racist way our laws are written and enforced. If you have a chance to watch "13th," I highly recommend it. It is a documentary about mass incarceration in the US. Here is a summary:

"The film begins with the idea that 25 percent of the people in the world who are incarcerated are incarcerated in the U.S. Although the U.S. has just 5% of the world's population. "13th" charts the explosive growth in America's prison population; in 1970, there were about 200,000 prisoners; today, the prison population is more than 2 million. The documentary touches on chattel slavery; D. W. Griffith's film "The Birth of a Nation"; Emmett Till; the civil rights movement; the Civil Rights Act of 1964; Richard M. Nixon; and Ronald Reagan's declaration of the war on drugs and much more."
www.imdb.com/title/tt5895028/

woman11017 · 10/01/2018 18:58

To think Oprah being the potus would be amazing

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vwlphb · 10/01/2018 19:35

I actually didn’t say senators or governors were the only ones with sufficient name recognition to run, I said Hillary was the only presidential candidate with the name recognition to run against Trump, and that the name recognition came more from being Bill’s wife than her own political career (you have to wonder if she’d have been a candidate if not for Bill’s presidency). Trump had name recognition but zero experience. Sanders is a senator and has considerable experience but didn’t have the same brand power as Hillary.

Ieatcake · 10/01/2018 20:06

Poor ophrah looks like her house has been wreaked by the landslides. I think she would take climate change seriously

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