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Have I been mean to this child?

435 replies

SureJan · 07/01/2018 19:52

My baby DS is 6mo. My cousin came round to visit with her 4yo DD.
Baby has some toys, obviously nothing really for a 4yo to play with but I didn't mind at all her playing with the baby toys.
4yo started getting a little bit naughty (probably bored) & was snatching toys off the baby. Cousin, her mum, didn't say anything to her about it. Eventually I gently told her not to snatch, he's only a baby etc. Cousin not phased, didn't say a word to her. She didn't stop doing it so I started wrapping up the play date, picked up baby & said he was due a bottle, that sort of thing, to signal it was time they went home.
4yo started making a fuss when cousin said it was time to go & she was flustered. 4yo had baby's rattle in her hand & looked like she wasn't going to put it back. I nicely asked are you going to put the rattle back? They both ignored me. Cousin started saying bye, thanks for having us, 4yo still had hold of rattle. I said (nicely again) I'll take that rattle off you now, & she started kicking off really bad, screaming, crying etc. Cousin said nothing to me, just looked at her DD & looked blankly at me. I tried to tell 4yo it was baby's & baby needs it so it has to stay here - more screaming & crying, still no input from cousin. Then cousin says to 4yo, maybe SureJan will let you borrow it until we come again? I said sorry, no. Cousin rolled her eyes at me & said 'really?' in a very pissed off tone, & I stuck to my guns & said yes really, it's not hers to take!
Cousin cajoled & begged 4yo for a good minute or 2 to hand it over, with her screaming full pelt in her face, & eventually cousin snatched it off her, threw it onto the floor & dragged her out of the house saying 'thanks for fucking nothing' to me!
WIBU? Part of me feels bad because it was just a rattle & baby probably wouldn't have missed it, maybe I was being a bit mean? I'm sure cousin thinks I was just being awkward & making her suffer through an embarrassing tantrum that I could have easily stopped by letting her take the bloody thing.
But part of me thinks no, it's not my fault she won't discipline her DD & why should I just give her stuff to take home so that she gets an easier time? It was a rattle & she's 4yo so not age appropriate for her, I feel she was just pushing boundaries & didn't really want it.
I know it isn't my place to tell cousin how to discipline but I do feel she should have stepped in way before the rattle incident by telling her DD to stop snatching, play nicely, be gentle with baby etc. It annoyed me that she didn't!
Am I mean/unreasonable? I have no doubt that there will come a time when baby is older & tantrumming in similar fashion & I'll be able to empathise more, but I don't think in that situation I'd let him take the toy to keep him quiet.

OP posts:
QueenUnicorn · 09/01/2018 10:52

She threw a strip in your house
Haha this made me laugh.

And 4 is old enough to know you don't take things from someone else's house. My 2 year old wouldn't even do it!

QueenUnicorn · 09/01/2018 10:57

Several of my DD's friends in Reception/Year 1 try to take toys when they leave. It's fairly normal as they don't often realise that things belong to anyone but them
Really? If reception and year one children 'didn't realise' this I'd be pretty suprised.

NewYearNiki · 09/01/2018 11:02

She threw a strip in your house
Haha this made me laugh.

That was my autocorrect fail Grin

Annoying new software download makes the autocorrect that much more inaccurate.

Imagining cousin stripping now!

SureJan · 09/01/2018 11:24

The 'strip' made me laugh too! That would have been the final straw! Grin

OP posts:
Trinity66 · 09/01/2018 11:29

YANBU, your cousin should be teaching her 4 year old she has to give back things that don't belong to her, it's not about the rattle so much, it's teaching her how to behave in the world

Trinity66 · 09/01/2018 11:30

Someone saying the OP is evil lol ffs

DuchessofLondon · 09/01/2018 11:44

The kerfuffle was only caused by the lack of discipline in the first place

Completely agree with you Whinealot.

berni140 · 09/01/2018 11:53

To all the people giving out about the cousin, I would say from the was OP said she just looked at her blankly, that she was probably wrecked (as you are with kids/babies ) and hence didn't step in. She wasn't great to say 'thanks for effing nothing' but at the same time OP I do think you were being a little unreasonable as you said you didn't think your baby would miss the rattle. I do think you're being too hard on yourself, you weren't being mean, you just went with your gut and possibly wanted to teach the 4 yo some manners but that's up to her parent

Scotland32 · 09/01/2018 11:59

I have a 4 year old. Sometimes these tantrums happen and you choose your battles. However, in this case your cousin should have stepped in and i think you did the right thing. They can't be allowed everything they want, esp if it involves taking something that isn't theirs.

NewYearNiki · 09/01/2018 12:09

you said you didn't think your baby would miss the rattle

But it is one way to teach a spoilt brat she can do what she likes and get away with it.

Jeez

Bluntness100 · 09/01/2018 12:13

Some of the responses on here are so unkind it's shocking.

To assume this one incident is representative of all this woman's parenting and decide she's clearly a shit parent.
To not accept there may be a wider context which is causing her to struggle, from anxiety, depression, onwards.
To not accept that there also may be a wider context with the child's behavuour, inc additional needs.

Oh to be such perfect parents, who never once got it wrong. And as such are perfectly justified at going on line and throwing dogs abuse at this women for being a terrible parent and calling the little girl a thief and a brat.

The milk of human kindness does overflow on this parenting website sometimes, doesn't it.

Shame on some of you.

NewYearNiki · 09/01/2018 12:13

Also a school age child snatching toys off a BABY and wanting to take them home. Christ.

Not even a dont be mean to a BABY, they're only little.

NewYearNiki · 09/01/2018 12:14

No idea why baby came up in caps

NewYearNiki · 09/01/2018 12:16

To assume this one incident is representative of all this woman's parenting and decide she's clearly a shit parent.

Well my nephew was the only child behaving this way after a theatre show. Screaming for more toys and sweets after already being bought them before the show.

He is allowed to do whatever he wants all the time which is why he screams as no very rarely means no which is why when it does he loses his shit.

It can mean bad parenting .

Lethaldrizzle · 09/01/2018 12:23

God what a disciplinarian lot you are.

NewYearNiki · 09/01/2018 12:26

God what a disciplinarian lot you are

No. It is the most simple childhood rule. You do not take things that do not.belong to you.

If people think that is harsh discipline I dont know what to say.

JassyRadlett · 09/01/2018 12:27

To assume this one incident is representative of all this woman's parenting and decide she's clearly a shit parent.

Not intervening when a 4 year old is snatching toys repeatedly from a baby is shit parenting. She may not be a shit parent, sure. But that’s some pretty poor parenting.

Trinity66 · 09/01/2018 12:28

God what a disciplinarian lot you are.

To tell your child you can't just take something that doesn't belong to you really? You think that being a disciplinarian? Oy Vey Grin

FrancisCrawford · 09/01/2018 12:30

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JassyRadlett · 09/01/2018 12:31

God what a disciplinarian lot you are.

😂😂

‘Don’t snatch from babies’ and ‘you can’t take home someone else’s toy unless they say it’s ok, even if you have a tantrum’ = ‘disciplinarian’.

TalkinBoutWhat · 09/01/2018 12:44

Given that you rarely see her, it's pretty off of her to think that she could 'borrow' something when returning it would not be a quick and easy process.

A friend of mine used to do the whole 'borrow a toy to take home' thing with her DS. Was really, really annoying. Without fail the toy he wanted to borrow was always one of the 'precious' toys and I had to say a firm 'no'. Borrowed toys were not to be precious, valuable, or easily broken.

After awhile I told my friend to stop it, because it was a pain keeping a track of borrowed toys. She wasn't best pleased at first but then realised she was being awkward for an easy life, when actually it was making things harder in the long run. Once the DC realised it was always going to be a firm 'no' they stopped being pains about it.

Hebenon · 09/01/2018 12:47

God what a disciplinarian lot you are.

Let me guess, you have 'spirited' children...

Trinity66 · 09/01/2018 12:53

Let me guess, you have 'spirited' children...

Grin
Lethaldrizzle · 09/01/2018 12:54

Hebenon thanks! but my children all have different personalities ranging from calm and sensible to mischievous and energetic. I'm just not a big fan of the big discipline stick and hey I seem to be doing something right because I've grown some into mature lovely fully functioning adults

Trinity66 · 09/01/2018 12:59

I'm just not a big fan of the big discipline stick

But how is telling your child to give back a toy that doesn't belong to them using a big discipline stick though?

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