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Women Baring their beasts at a fire engine......

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Hannah4banana · 03/01/2018 15:51

I was nightshift on New Years Eve into new year's day in the city centre tre. I couldn't believe it when a group of drunk ladies decided to flash at the guys in the fire engine I was in. I actually had to lock the cab door as they were trying to climb in when we were stopped at traffic lights.
Why the hell would anyone think that's acceptable in an emergency vehicle.
I was mortified for them!

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AnnetteCurtains · 03/01/2018 16:53

Peppa seriously , you are ok with this behaviour ???

SchadenfreudePersonified · 03/01/2018 16:54

You're not that stupid, I'm sure.

But it looks like you might be.

Notreallyarsed · 03/01/2018 16:55

If inside a fire engine on a call out doesn’t constitute a firefighter’s work environment I’ll be fucked if I know what does!

MistressDeeCee · 03/01/2018 16:55

They pretended to be uncomfortable because you were there, OP 😂.

It's like mooning, isn't it? No it's not acceptable but I wish a conversation could be had without almost immediately bringing penises into it, can't we talk about breasts without bringing that into it?! One has zero to do with the other. Different zones, people...

grannytomine · 03/01/2018 16:55

peppa, they are in a defined workspace. Look it up love, a work vehicle is a workspace.

Notreallyarsed · 03/01/2018 16:56

@MistressDeeCee well given that the people who were flashed at apparently don’t count since they have penises, not really.

HotelEuphoria · 03/01/2018 16:58

You're a firefighter and we're mortified by this behaviour? It's totally wrong yes but how long have you worked for the emergency services?

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/01/2018 17:00

You're a firefighter and we're mortified by this behaviour? It's totally wrong yes but how long have you worked for the emergency services?

Firefighter? Daily Mail hack? They're all jobs, right?

Bluntness100 · 03/01/2018 17:01

Huge lol at the "it's only breasts brigade".I do wonder if they are popping to Tesco's topless.

Nope? Thought not. When they do that as standard practice then they can come back and talk.

peppapigwouldmakelovelyrashers · 03/01/2018 17:01

Again, not relevant.

peppapigwouldmakelovelyrashers · 03/01/2018 17:02

peppa, they are in a defined workspace. Look it up love, a work vehicle is a workspace

The women, however, were not. Do try to keep up.

Zatsuma · 03/01/2018 17:03

No one said they were "threatened" but "uncomfortable".

I find some of the comments absolutely disgusting, male or female how dare you condone that sort of abuse in the street, how backward are we going

The only ones who should be embarrassed are people like you.

catwoozle · 03/01/2018 17:03

It is sexual harrassment and completely unacceptable.

But no, it isn't generally the same as a men harrassing women. The equivalent is men being harrassed by larger men where there is more potential physical threat.

Fekko · 03/01/2018 17:04

I'm surprised that the crew noticed (usually a bit busy on a call) or gave two hoots.

My niece is a firefighter and she would be howling if she was flashed at (men or women) as it beats being shot at, cutting people out of cars, breaking into homes where there is a horrible smell and no sign of the neighbour for a few weeks, or trying to resuscitate people on the road side, or trying to find legs/arm/head after an accident...

It's often a grim job and you need a sense of humour.

Willow2017 · 03/01/2018 17:05

Peppa
Would that theory of yours work with a taxi driver then? Thats thier place of work. Mobile bank? Mobile library.
The firefighters were actually in thier work vehicle so nobody else had a right to try to get in it naked or not. If they had been all female firefighters and some drunken men had tried to get in the cab wolf whistling and making suggestive remarks this would be a different thread but you seem to think men should just put up with this crap purely because they are men. Not all men are happy with drunken women trying to paw at them and nor should they be.

The fact you are purposely ignoring is that the firefighters were at work minding thier own business when a group of women decided they were fair game. That nothing would make them nore happy than some drunken women climbing into an emergency service vehicle on a road junction and shoving thier boobs in their faces.
Thats harassment and no amount of prettying it up will change it.

OnionKnight · 03/01/2018 17:05

peppa instead of moving the goalposts why don't you explain what you think is sexual harassment towards men?

Notreallyarsed · 03/01/2018 17:06

It is sexual harrassment and completely unacceptable

But no, it isn't generally the same as a men harrassing women. The equivalent is men being harrassed by larger men where there is more potential physical threat

Perfectly put

ClaryFray · 03/01/2018 17:07

It's sexual harassment. Much like a man flashing his cock at a women is. Totally unreasonable behaviour.

Fekko · 03/01/2018 17:07

If they had been all female firefighters and some drunken men had tried to get in the cab wolf whistling and making suggestive remarks... they would have got their arses handed back to them on a plate.

grannytomine · 03/01/2018 17:07

The women, however, were not. Do try to keep up. But the women weren't the ones being harassed were they, or can't you understand that.

grasspigeons · 03/01/2018 17:07

This is quite interesting as it really does challenge a lot of assumptions
Is baring breasts a hostile act or a cheeky one
Is the dignity of the men challenged - do they feel degraded by it
Where the balance of power lies - group of sober well trained men in a vehicle v a bunch of marauding drunks

I don't know what to think really. I think its completely unacceptable and stupid behaviour. I imagine the men felt nervous the drunk women would get hurt, irritated they couldn't get on with their jobs and maybe a bit objectified? I don't know if they would really have felt afraid or that their dignity as a man was being challenged.

MockneyReject · 03/01/2018 17:07

Is this really the first time you've experienced this, OP?
I've witnessed it more than once and cringed for everyone involved. (Actually, I was already cringing - hen party - but I definitely cringed some more!)
But I'm still not convinced it's sexual harassment. Tedious, unoriginal and potentially dangerous, yes.

Are there any all female crews? Just wondering if men would behave like it. Or do people still tend to assume the truck is 'manned'? By men?

grannytomine · 03/01/2018 17:09

My niece is a firefighter and she would be howling if she was flashed at So now we all know about one firefighter who would find it funny on the other hand the OP has told us about a group who wouldn't find it funny at all.

Fekko · 03/01/2018 17:09

I would have thought hey would be more pissed off if they thought that the idiots were going to get in their way or have to be dealt with in some way that took up their time (if they were staggering by the motorway or hanging precariously out of a window).

I assume they were drunk.

Zatsuma · 03/01/2018 17:09

why are people talking about the "threat"? It's not needed to be uncomfortable.

Would it help you comprehend things a bit better if you picture only female and gay firefighters?

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