To say bras are not for boys

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Another trans bully nightmare. Targetting the yellowberry bra brand now

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/bra-gate-yellowberry-products-now-for-everyone/

When will this BS end?

I am a bio woman and am a 34 FF, I certainly need a bra to hold myself up, if I were an A or B cup, I would not. Bras are there to.serve a function. It does not define me as a woman, iwod quite happily not wear one if I did not need to.

YANBU. The trans cult are a gang of relentless bullies. They won’t be satisfied until they have wiped every mention of girls or women out of public life.

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TIMs stands for Trans Identifying Male. Makes much more sense that trans women as a man can never be a woman, no matter how many bras he buys.

I thought Mumsnet was approving of boys wearing dresses. (There are literally dozens of threads gushing about it 🤔) Not sure why a dress is approved of but a bra isn't. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Flat chested females wear bras so the 'males don't have boobs so shouldn't wear bras' argument doesn't really hold.

TBH I don't really care one way or another.

I’m just waiting for the menstrual products market to be targeted next

How exactly does a tampax fit into a female penis? I suppose a mooncup could pop over the end, like a little hat

Fanny maybe they'll make a his and hers pregnancy test that makes male urine activate the 2 lines so it will be a truly genderless experience. You won't be able to refer to a woman as having given birth next, it will be a male and female birth or genderless birth. You don't need to carry a baby for 9 months; if you provided the sperm you gave birth too.

The more I think about this the more I agree with those who have said maybe the activist who complained was particularly thinking about girls who are starting to identify as nonbinary, genderfluid or outright transgender, and who could therefore be in denial about being girls. (Transboys, as they might call themselves.)

What a dreadful mess this is. Yesterday I came across this BBC documentary from a year ago: Transgender Kids -
Who Knows Best? vimeo.com/217950594. It is really excellent and very even-handed in its treatment of this whole agonising issue. As such, transactivists have done their best to get it banned.

There's a father in that programme who took a very hardline stance with his daughter. She spent six years (from age 6) denying that she was a girl until finally (and after I think some therapy from an old-fashioned watchful waiting advocate, rather than a counsellor recommending immediate gender affirmation, as she would be likely to get now) she started mixing with other girls who shared her 'tomboyish' outlook and interests. I suspect her parents had been trying to fit their square peg into a round hole and also had to change their views a bit after seeking help. He seemed very bothered about her having her hair cut short (not that short - a longish bob). Anyway, along the way, he simply said to her over and over again that she was a girl, no matter how much conflict it led to. His view was that she couldn't deny reality, and neither should anyone else. And now in her mid-teens she is OK with being a girl, and seems much happier.

It must be very hard to have a child with gender dysphoria. I can see that it may seem easier and safer to go along with the delusion and say 'Yes, of course you can be a boy!' They are so often told that if they don't their child will commit suicide. But in the long run surely it is better for everyone to try to get the child to accept the reality of the sex they were born into. Having irreversible hormone treatment and surgery should surely be a very last resort for only a very few adults - not children.

I do not give a shit about who wears what but I do care about the censorship of language. That is the slippery slope that will cease any gender equality as there will be no language to name it.

Zip I couldn't give a shit what a man or woman wears, and this is not what is fucking people off here. It's a TIM bullying a small company for advertising a typically female garment for GIRLS for NOT advertising to boys. Men in dresses and TRAs will nit be satisfied until they claim h descriptor women/girl for themselves. Men can wear bras on their hairy or shaved chests all they like, but it does not change the fact that bras are for women and girls to support their breasts. You know every woman, other than those that have had them removed, have breasts, no matter how small they are, don't you?

Genders wont exist and they will all be blurred into one the way the world is going. At the end of the day we're all different and marketing should be allowed to target a specific audience. All companies have target audiences and it's up to he company who they are.

I don't think certain people will be happy until they wipe the gender terms women and girls from the dictionary. I feel it's getting to the point where trans/gender fluid is so sensitive we're having to feel ashamed for wanting to be the gender we were born with.

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I don't have a problem with a boy wearing a bra if he wants to but surely all this is going to make it harder/ more confusing for anyone who is transitioning and wants to actually fit in as a woman/girl. There really does seem to misogyny behind some of this lobbying.

passthestarmix the association of midwives in the US (forget their exact name) has already rewritten all their materials to remove references to women.

Midwives who complained about this were told if they didn't like it they could leave.

UpABitLate That's terrible; I wondered how long it would take! They don't need to remove women from everything but just include trans if necessary. I feel by doing that they are infact offending all females who were born female and identify as women.

Very few people are physically stuck between genders. Those who are have my sympathies. For the rest of us, we are either male or female! Bras and tampons are designed for women's bodies. What possible use would men or boys have for them. Sorry boys .... the monthly curse is for ladies only. The World has gone barking mad!!!!

Isent it it women upaBit that carry a baby and give birth, don't recall biologically men having the right anatomy to do so. Ludricous.

That includes trans women

If a woman identifies as male and gives birth than she is trans and they reference trans if necessary. No need to remove women.

Men don't give birth. Female bodies do so to remove all references of women is offensive and I wouldn't want to give birth in that hospital.

Yes as starmix says it's to be inclusive of the small number of transmen and non binary people who have babies AND get upset at seeing literature referring to women.

There has never been any suggestion that a person giving birth, in the relationship with their HCPs, should be referred to in whatever whay they feel more comfy with.

However that was not good enough, the only route acceptable was to remove all references to women / female from everything.

As women still have an awful lot of issues around healthcare that are specific to them, this is a retrograde step. And, this is kind of the point of it.

Removing sex from things that are sexed, has real life consequences as many laws / protections are based around sex, around targeting relevant groups, around raising awareness, and around lobbying. I'm sure there's other stuff too.

Upabitlate you have killed it on this thread, I don't even need to say anything because you said it all! 😀👏

"Some people are taken less seriously than some other people by HCPs and this leads to different outcomes and needs addressing. Unfortunately we have no way of telling which sort of people fall into which group".

However saying things that are relevant to men is OK - so for instance, saying that high levels of suicide in males needs addressing, or that health outcomes are negatively affected as lots of men don't go to see the doctor until much later - this sort of thing is fine.

Actually it's fine to talk about issues that are specific to trans people as well.

What it's not fine is to focus on women and girls, as a distinct group, ever, about anything.

"There has never been any suggestion that a person giving birth, in the relationship with their HCPs, should be referred to in whatever whay they feel more comfy with. "

• there has never been any suggestion that they should not be referred to in whatever way they feel more comfy with

sorry bit of a major mistake there!