To say bras are not for boys

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Another trans bully nightmare. Targetting the yellowberry bra brand now

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/bra-gate-yellowberry-products-now-for-everyone/

When will this BS end?

This whole trans thing being rammed down women's necks is making me feel transphobic when in reality I don't give a fuck what you are or do in your own home. That annoys me greatly because I'm not racist or sexist or disablist or ageist or whatever other 'ists' there are.

Every time I read of trans men encroaching on women's lives, in prisons, sport, refuges, any women only spaces, I want to push back and think all women should be doing the same.

UpABitLate Exactly I feel if anybody should be complaining it should be women/girls. It seems we have far less rights than any other group to such a degree we're not even allowed to be considered as a destinct group anymore as in the removal from the literature you mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if the next questionnaire I received has a list of genders to select and female isn't on it!

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SilverySurfer I agree with everything you just said. The whole of society is walking on egg shells so much when it comes to minority groups when it is in fact the larger groups such as women/girls that is infact getting an unfair deal.

upabitlate, here here I totally agree with you. I cod not have put it better. It seems that misogynistic forceful men, under the guise of transwoman, are eroding the Female identity, pushing women's rights right back, and pushing biological women to the side.

This is an MRA / sexists dream though as many feel that women's rights have "gone too far" and this is a good way to push us back down again.

This is another way for men to trample over women, put us in a box and keep us there. Under men's control, so even being female is being eroded by them. We biological female have no rights to our own gender and sex, as the men are taking it over.

But boys do not have breasts to put into bras.

I’m on holiday somewhere hot and frequented by Brits.

I would beg to differ. 😵😵😵

I wod have corrected harshly any HCP that referred to me as a pregnant Person.

Don;t know why anyone would want to wear a bra if they didn't need to. I fucking hate them, but I guess mine aren't bras as such but boulder holders

I wod have corrected harshly any HCP that referred to me as a pregnant Person.

I have a relative who’s a GP. They don’t think pregnant person is gonna catch on round these here parts. thank fuck

wrenika I found your posts re that photo you posted really odd. You do know the old saying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? Obviously you think that guy looks great in that dress, and sure he’s entitled to wear whatever he likes, but not everybody is going to agree with you that he is beautiful.

And maybe you judge your own attractiveness very harshly (I wonder why that may be, surely not internalised misogyny from growing up female under the patriarchy??) but I can think of any number of women who I think would look infinitely more beautiful than him in that dress.

So you just can’t assume that because you see a person a certain way, everybody else will too. Beauty is a very subjective thing. It’s interesting that you seem so convinced of his “beauty” as an objective fact. Where does that come from, I wonder?

Sad to see a woman putting herself and other women down so much, though.

Thank god for that Butchy, it's up to the individual to ask HCP to call them a certain thing, not making a big policy change to suit a noisy group of transwoman and their supporters.

Yes BatShite they are fucking uncomfortable IMO.

Bras for me are a massive feminist issue - connected to both sexism and ageism. The purpose of them is to harness the unruly ones as otherwise society deems them obscene, really, and to conform them to a height / shape that is deemed acceptable to society and current fashions.

Wearing a bra outside the house for most women is not a genuine choice. Realistically I could NOT go into work braless and feel in any way comfortable. It would be entirely unacceptable.

There is also the issue that so many men feel entitled to comment on our breasts from the age we start getting them, and how so many girls respond with starvation + baggy clothes / and these days binders are available. This is a result of the gross sexualisation of this body part. See also the massive hooha over breastfeeding in public.

So all these issues for women and girls, that start when we are so very young, and are only just in the last few years getting discussed more openly, we are now being exhorted to shut up about them again. People wear bras, references to body parts as girls or boys is exclusionary, and there are no experiences that are peculiar to girls / boys and therefore girls should absolutely not raise issues around how they are treated / what happens when their bodies start developing.

wrenika
For example: Beautiful guy rocking a dress

Hahahaha, yeah right, not.

Real beautiful woman rocking a dress:

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Now silvery she is beautiful, don't try and kid yourself Wrenika. That bloke in a dress is not beautiful.

Wrenika can think that person is beautiful if that's the way she feels. I don't think too many people on here are going to agree though.
Yes there are a few very slim and toned transwomen who spend a lot of time on their hair and make up and they do look very glamourous. They're still men though, and aren't intrinsically more beautiful than a woman. For a start, being taller doesn't = beautiful though it may make you more modelesque.

Each to their own and who is or is not the most "beautiful" is neither here nor there.

The assertion however that men and boys are better & look better & have better legs chests etc etc is highly misogynistic. The claim that men are better at womaning than women is highly misogynistic. The oft repeated idea that TIMs with makeup in poses that emulate sexualised poses that women are often put in by the media, are more woman than cunty women who don't shave their legs / style their hear carefully / adopt a properly submissive persona is also highly misogynistic. The claim that women who do not adhere to / try to adhere to the standards imposed upon them by a sexist society are not "real women" is an "accusation" that many feminists / lesbians / otherwise GNC women have had levelled at them forever and there is nothing new in this. It is simply in a new shiny glittery wrapper.

The less common but none the less shocking death and rape threats levelled at women who do not submit are not new either.

Yy UpABitLate. It’s the usual misogynistic shite.

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie - beautiful in many beautiful dresses www.instagram.com/chimamanda_adichie/

Yes she does look beautiful, Terry. And Iman too.

UpABitLate

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Nice little business you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it. Stop saying the word girl and we will let you keep it.
I expect it was the death threats that convinced the business owner to submit.
Trans advocates target the small businesses because they are the ones that are vulnerable to extortion and coercion on behalf of the portion of the population responsible for 90% of violent crime.
If they use all the tools of organized crime to promote their interests do they not at some point become criminals? I think so.

The fastest growing group for rapid onset gender dysphoria is teenage girls, at least according to Raymond Blanchard and similar gender specialists. It’s not teenage boys.

And we all know why that is don't we, I'm not sure why researchers govts etc are so busy scratching their heads over it

I suppose to admit that everyone knows the reason girls are opting out of girlhood, especially when puberty is around the corner, and the fact that girls have always made efforts to escape their fate at this point, is too distressing / difficult / and opens up way too many questions about men and women and society that most people don't want to answer.

They'd rather go ahead and say yes girls get your breasts cut off, than say, growing up as a female in this country has always been a distressing experience for many, how can we address that.