To say bras are not for boys

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Another trans bully nightmare. Targetting the yellowberry bra brand now

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When will this BS end?

Overweight men with moobs do not want to wear bras. I mean come off it. They aren't going to be able to find ones to fit anyone. Maybe they should complain about that, huh?

Jesus this is getting ridiculous.

Overweight men with boobs have the piss taken out of them by other men saying hahahha you need a bra. This is seen as a joke by those sort of men as bras are for women, and men wearing things for women is according to gender hierarchy a step down and therefore funny.

But then you all know this don't you.

If trans people wanted to fight for everyone to be able to wear what they choose then they'd be fighting with gender critical feminists. But they don't, they want the word girl removed from this website for garments specifically for girls.

It is actually a good idea for men who get growth in this area to check with a doctor as it can be a sign of hormonal issues or other problems.

Of course it may not but best be on the safe side.

Oh unless you're a trans supporter in which case no definitely don't go to the doctor, men, if you notice changes in your chest, just remember that sex is on a spectrum, it's all advanced biology, and consider a bra. A nice sexy one.

PERF:

"You're completly missing the point, Cheap. Bras are made specifically for women, big, small or as flat as two fried eggs. I'm in the two flat eggs camp, but they're STILL. breasts."

sausage in direct response:

"My flat chest isn't "breasts" Perf. I'm literally flat. Like a boy."

So PERF was talking about her breast, no sorry, I mean her chest, and that was your response.

PERF can't have tits because you say so. Nice.

Of course you can call your body whatever you like, but you can't tell others what words to use. The idea that women who don't have patriarchy approved breasts size-wise literally have no breasts is grotesque. Most women can breastfeed a baby however "flat" they are. That is what breasts are for. Men do not have breasts and generally cannot breastfeed babies. That is the difference. The idea it's all down to size is a male sexualised view of women's bodies.

it's all advanced biology, and consider a bra. A nice sexy one

Well given all these people tend to go for the "porn style" as it's all about performing stereotypes from inside a man's head wtf would they want with a tween and teen first bra/advice blog/shop

Kinda proves it's all about point proving doesn't it?

@Slarti I didn't suggest they do anything with their bodies, I suggested they seek medical advice!

I don't know much men with lots of breast tissue... and if they did they would find their GP ASAP! I also don't know any man who would be proud to admit he wears a bra to control his man boobs...

And if you're overweight a brassiere won't help your man boobs... you need a dietician and proper medical advice to help with that.

By all means wear what you want, but don't try to change its purpose or function or the people it caters for... is designed for.

Next we'll be told tampons are not for vaginas... but for orifices on our nether regions.... just hole plugs!

Hang on, so people are actually complaining that bras are too 'gendered'?

I would use the 😂 emoji but it's actually not all that funny is it?

And yes I see the guy who started giving that company shit is another one of these 'non-binary' types, similar to Travis Alabanza.

Bras are the most gendered item of clothing, rather like a jock strap, too gendered, laughing my arse off.

Lots of reasons to wear a bra, support being the major but not the only one. If some men and boys want to wear bras, that's their perogative. If enough do it, then I expect some bra manufacturers will start marketing their product to them. Bit weird to do it, or expect it to be done, now though.

Dictionary definition of bra-
An undergarment worn by women to support the breasts.

looks like the dictionaries will need to amend their definitions now to ensure they are PC (or whatever the latest buzz word is)

And yes I see the guy who started giving that company shit is another one of these 'non-binary' types, similar to Travis Alabanza.

I actually think they're the worst, and their agenda poses the greatest threat to women's rights. I want to see non binary shit clearly recognised as the social contagion, attention seeking narcissism or young people's confusion about sex stereotypes that it is. Where will it end?

I agree, enough of this Bob binary crap, binary beings in computing and maths, not this. Just say neither male or female, well there isent such a thing, as we are all born male or female(unless someone has a biological gender disorder), however much wesay we are not any sex, nothing can change your genetics. I can identify as antilope one day and a dog the next, as I might feel like one, but it does not make me one.

Eeek that last sentence I wrote wasn't worded in the most grammatically correct way

So you just wear bikini bottoms on the beach and feel comfortable taking your top off in front of men, cheap? After all you only have a chest.

I actually think they're the worst, and their agenda poses the greatest threat to women's rights. I want to see non binary shit clearly recognised as the social contagion, attention seeking narcissism or young people's confusion about sex stereotypes that it is. Where will it end?

Yes, I agree actually. Travis comes across very aggressive, and honestly just seems to think that sometimes wearing dresses, and dressing as a 15 year old girl for Halloween, means that he should have unfettered access to all female spaces, no questions asked.

He is (to use a favourite word of theirs) literally nothing more than a dude in a dress and I don't give a fucking fuck if that is a 'transphobic' thing to say.

I don't like bras and wish I didn't have to wear one but it would not be considered socially acceptable for me to go out without one, especially to work where a certain standard of appearance is desired.

For most women and girls in this country bra wearing isn't actually a choice. There's an issue right there.

Why can't we fight for it to be socially acceptable for women not to wear them if they don't want, and for men to if they do want?

Oh yeah because that's not actually the point of any of this.

This isn't about 'men wearing bras' or men wanting bras advertised for them. It isn't about trans women wanting bras to be advertised for women and trans women (trans women would be included in the 'for women' already)

This is about young trans men, who are probably feeling incredibly self-conscious about their changing body, who may be experiencing dysphoria around developing breasts.

They will be going to shops and having to deal with the same problems faced by the younger sister of Yellowberry's founder, the problems that led to the company being created.

So they go to Yellowberry to find a nice bra that won't emphasise their breasts, that will actually provide comfortable support without drawing attention to them or giving them unwanted cleavage. However, they then have to deal with constantly being referred to as girls/young women/daughters, which will then make their discomfort 10000x worse. Their options then are to go to specific websites that provide undergarments for trans men (binders, packers etc...) or use completely inappropriate things like elasticated bandages that can cause serious harm to them.

What does it hurt for a brand to just change their wording to include anyone who needs a bra to support developing breasts. Girls and women are included in everyone, but so are people with breasts who ID as men or as nonbinary. All it does is make it easier for the people that might otherwise find it distressing to exist in their current physical body.

Maybe, changing wording in this way would make it so less people feel the need to medically transition in order to cope.

and they are really fucking expensive

actual issue #2

My brother developed moobs (as well as putting on a lot of weight). Turned out he had a hormonal issue that if left would have put him at increased risk of certain cancers. Development of breast tissue in males is atypical and men/boys should be encouraged to get any breast tissue development checked out by a HCP to rule out underlying health issues.

As for TRA's, if they are that bothered about the lack of products geared towards TIF's then they are welcome to start a company that produces "chest support" garments for transboys/non-binary tweens (which imo would be preferable to steering them towards binders) and invest their time, money and energy into starting a new business.

Or they could just bully small, female run businesses into changing the whole premise of their company because they "dared" to market a product specifically for girls. Which do we think they will opt for, I wonder?

Loop So you're advocating that women have no right to have garments discribed as being for women, in case it hurts other people's feelings? Why should a small company have to change their advertisements to accommodate someone with a mental illness? Why don't we just stop advertising tampons too, in case the very mention of a woman on her period triggers another woman who is pretending to be a man or a man who 'naturally' can't have periods?

loops most pubescent girls don't want cleavage

Many have dysphoria

When I was a girl my classmates starved themselves and wore baggy clothes to try to stop development

The reason to stop it is the way people esp men start looking at you

I suppose none of that matters

If girls don't like it they can identify out, right? Wonder why girls are the largest growing group of trans people in the UK... nothing to do with the gross oversexualisation of them and their bodies is it...

Of course they mustn't be allowed to have things that are for them, to help them, or anything like that. All references to girls / women must be removed.

There are few enough things trying to help girls with this, saying things like, it can be difficult growing up as a girl. No fuck that, it should say, it can be difficult growing up as a person. There are no specific issues here, nope.

In this brave new world, I’m looking forward to the new Sanpro adverts. They’ll be full of trans women, because we won’t be allowed to say periods are a “woman” thing

However, they then have to deal with constantly being referred to as girls/young women/daughters, which will then make their discomfort 10000x worse

Yeah, well guess what - the reason they might need a bra that's comfortable for their breasts is because they are girls/young women/daughters.

Girls and women have breasts. Men and boys don't. Breasts are a female thing.

I cannot believe that in 2018 this is a controversial thing to have to say.

Just perhaps the identity issues of a minority of gender confused girls doesn't mean that women aka females are never allowed to be referenced in products 99.9% of us use? I am not a "bra wearer" or a "breast haver" and I think most FTMs don't use the word "breast" anyway. Hence the ridiculous "chestfeeding". I think it's asking way to much for breasts to not be referred to at all, but that is what I suspect FTMs would want.

But I don't understand why the 'treatment' for gender dysphoria seems to be to do everything possible to prop up the idea that the sufferer is something they are not?

The treatment for anorexia does not involve saying 'yes you are right, you are overweight', it's about accepting a perfectly healthy body the way it is. It is always incredibly difficult for someone with anorexia to do that, but you don't just let someone carry on not eating properly because in their head they are fat.

Also, as someone upthread said, why bully a female owned company for using 'girls/woman' in the context of bras? It's like they are dirty words or something.

Sorry cheap I realise I have probably been harsh on you and I genuinely don't want to upset you, as it is clearly a very emotive subject, for you. I'm not going to say anything more to you.