to think that Ian Huntley is most definitely not a woman?

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/

If anyone has any evidence to convince me otherwise please do enlighten me, thanks in advance.

@JAPAB

Previously you called him 'she'.

So you genuinely think he is a woman?

Even though he just asked for a name change?

Not this again. The dispute with anorexics is over whether their body is physically what they believe it to be. They attach the same physical meaning to the word fat as the rest of us, but are incorrect in thinking that this meaning applies to them. This can even be objectively tested.

Not this again. The dispute withtranswomen is over whether their body is physically what they believe it to be. They attach the same physical meaning to the word woman as the rest of us, but are incorrect in thinking that this meaning applies to them. This can even be objectively tested.

What is the difference exactly?

The remorseless child murdered Huntley is barely human let alone a gender specific human

Well yes obvs, but unfortunately he will be allowed to call himself a woman, and be moved to a female prison, should the GRA amendments go through. I am not the IH fan club, I am using this as an example of what could happen to any [or all] murderers, rapists, sexual offenders, non-sexual offenders should this amendment go through. There will be no line in the sand that says some men could do this but some couldn't, this option will be available to all.

ATeardropExplodes as I explained previiously I inferred from your OP title that Huntley was now identifying as a woman. Hence the "she"s. But it seems that this may not be the case, or at least there is insufficient evidence that this is the case, hence I will revert back to the default "he".

Not this again. The dispute withtranswomen is over whether their body is physically what they believe it to be. They attach the same physical meaning to the word woman as the rest of us, but are incorrect in thinking that this meaning applies to them. This can even be objectively tested.

Eh? So they attach the same physical meaning to woman as you do, ie 'has XX chromosome', and think this physical meaning applies to themselves? Since when?

But the agreed psychiatric treatment is to allow people with gender dysphoria to live as their preferred gender though.

Whilst this is true for men with gender dysphoria, it's certainly not true for men with autogynephilia.

They were historically denied 'treatment' to further enable their fetish.

Hence tips and tricks on the Internet on how to convince a therapist that you were gender dysphoric, not AGP.

All that changed when transsexual changed to transgender.

Self ID, both the concept and the process has allowed a very different 'transwoman' to emerge.

Not only chancers like Huntley, but men who yearn with every fibre of their being to be female, whilst maintaining an exceptionally misogynistic view of what that means, and women in general. A sexual motivation to be treated as a 'woman'.

It is their agenda that enables people like Huntley.

The unquestioning acceptance that a man can identify as a woman, for whatever reason.

If people like Miranda Yardley wanted me to call them she (he doesn't), I would, because he's not getting a boner every time I do it.

It should be my right to treat TIMs on a case by case basis.

So they attach the same physical meaning to woman as you do, ie 'has XX chromosome', and think this physical meaning applies to themselves?

They seem to recite the mantra transwomen are women, so something about what a woman is is convincing them and others that they are women. Hence the thread. And others. What is that thing do you think?

As I explained previiously I inferred from your OP title that Huntley was now identifying as a woman. Hence the "she"s.

So all it takes is someone telling you someone identifies as a woman and you default to calling them a woman? You have no qualms about this whatsoever? You didn't think 'hang on a minute...'? You are the only person here that defaulted to calling IH a woman and all it took was for a random to post a thread and you took that for granted? So what is it about IH that made you default to calling him 'she'?

What will it take for you to stop and think about it?

It is important to get to the bottom of this as there are an amount of women just falling over themselves to say 'she' when it should most definitely be 'he'. And I cannot for the life of me work out why this is.

JAPAB, since the mantra transwomen are women became a "thing" and to say otherwise is transphobia. Since Lily Madigan can claim to be a lesbian and be held up as an example of a real woman, by the Labour party, after changing only the name used in day to day life (not legally changed, no physical transition, no GRC).

Have you not learned anything?

ATeardropExplodes So all it takes is someone telling you someone identifies as a woman and you default to calling them a woman?

Yes, just like if someone tells me that their brother is gay I'll take that on faith. The person could be lying to me, be mistaken (as you may have been here), or maybe the person claiming to be a particular gender or sexuality is lying to others about this. But if there is no reason not to, I'll take such things on faith.

But if there is no reason not to, I'll take such things on faith.

But there is a reason not to, as men cannot change into women.

Yes, just like if someone tells me that their brother is gay I'll take that on faith

This is a false analogy as someone's brother CAN be gay, but someone CANNOT just change into a woman. They are completely different things.

Under the new legislation he wouldn't need to "transition" which I think most of us understand to mean hormone therapy at the very least, surgery probably. All any man needs to do under this new "gender" legislation is to announce to the world that et voila they are now a woman and it's a done deal. They can keep their beard, penis, male clothing, they don't have to change one iota. But if they say they're a woman, that's plenty. And of course, I can start calling myself Dave and announce to the world I'm a man, and men have to accept me as such.

Yes, just like if someone tells me that their brother is gay I'll take that on faith.

And what if someone, who was white, told you their brother was black? You’d take that on faith until you met them and they looked like alabaster. Then what would you do? Granted the way you talk to them or treat them wouldn’t need to change. However if they started to apply for grants or college places open only to black people you might feel a bit pissed off.

Murderer and torturer Paris Green - a woman with a penis

I think you mean a man. Or a transwoman. Not a woman. We don't have a penis.

The continued idiocy of women just rolling over to erase their own biological identity and all the hard won rights and protections for it just utterly baffles me. Wake up, FGS.

Not a woman. We don't have a penis.

Exactly. However we are repeatedly told that transwomen are women and by that logic a woman can have a penis.

But there is a reason not to, as men cannot change into women. That is were they TERF thing come sin though, isn't it?

The apparent contradiction in that I, as a woman, am quite happy if a man wishes to be know as a woman, wishes to dress as, be named as and treated as a woman. I don't care. I know a couple of men who live as women, neither have had any surgery, though both have taken a lot of hormones, speech classes and have got their piece of paper stating that they are now legally to be treated as a woman.

I have no issues with that at all.

BUT I most certainly DO have issues with the more militant, aggressive trans MEN who don't really want to live as women - they want to BE WOMAN! To make themselves happy they seek to redefine any and everything I perceive to be necessary to be a woman. Call me cis or TERF, keep their penis, keep their beards, deny biology, demand the world spins counter clockwise to make the impossible possible (oh! Wasn't that Super man?).

Like many women here I live with that dichotomy, that logical illogic. It isn't us who is causing the problem!

Perhaps I am a bit thick but to me it is simple -

Man = has penis

Woman = has vagina

This is a false analogy as someone's brother CAN be gay, but someone CANNOT just change into a woman.

You are conflating someone's sex with gender.

AIBU to question the rationale behind posting this thread? Is this really about Ian Huntley or about pushing an anti trans agenda? Seems strange OP would suddenly be bringing up an article from Feb about one of the most hated me in the UK. I think this post is far more aimed at say transwomen = murderers and sex offenders than it is about Ian Huntley or the wider trans debate. In the same people highlight some cases of Muslim terrorists in a way that sends the message Islam = terorism.

Persian it really is that simple, my 6 yo ds knows this yet here we have grown adults who believe penis = woman.

Mind boggles!

He had a penis and a scrotum. Ie he is male.

Yanbu

Trabs activists expect us to fall in with their utterly mad and utterly destructive erasure of the FACTS of biology and sex, they expect us to conflate sex and biology to an extremely threatening end, and society is so dumb, so stupid, so shortsighted that many people are happily conflating sex and gender and deciding that how one behaves or chooses to live (in other words gender, which is a ridiculous concept anyway) now directly imforms one’s biological sex. Which it DOES NOT and NEVER CAN. Leave us the fuck alone and stop encroaching on our sex.

It is not anti trans to say a man cannot become a woman, biology is not anti anything

It is anti trans to deny they exist, which is what TRA themselves are trying to do by saying woman is just a feeling. If they are indeed born in the wrong body why call themselves trans at all?

I should say if they believe they are women all along why call themselves trans?

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If someone wants to change sex then I am not averse to calling a person born a man, who has had permanent transitioning surgery a woman as I believe they are showing a real commitment to their decision.

I will not be calling a man with a penis a woman as long as my brain still works.

1DAD - I haven’t seen a single poster saying trans=anything of the sort (except you).

This is a very current issue because of proposed changes in law that potentially allow any man to legally be a woman - just because they say so.

It’s interesting that you have ignored all the well articulated points made in this thread and decided it must be about defaming trans people.

Seems strange OP would suddenly be bringing up an article from Feb about one of the most hated me in the UK. I suspect it might be that that is just the article OP posted. There are other 'round ups', from November and December in Mirror, Metro, Mail, Sun etc.

I don't think it is entirely an 'old news' issue when the red tops are still mulling it over and 'printing' pages about him!