Sexual Assault **May be triggering**

[ItsFindersKeepers]

NC for this but regular poster...

I may be flamed for saying this but AIBU to think that the term 'sexual assult' is a broad spectrum and that there's a HUGE difference between someone squeezing someone's bum and being penetrated by something other than a penis (as that would be rape)?

I'm not saying that someone squeezing a bum is okay in the slightest but I wouldn't want someone going to prison or convicted over it. Or do you believe their all as bad as each other and need locking up?

I was reading about the Todd from Corrie case and wondering what it was that he actually did. I personally don't think he deserves the sack for a drunken ass squeeze but anything more then yes.

I don't know, maybe it's my attitude that's what's wrong here. My arse was frequently squeezed on a night out and whilst I didn't like it and told them to fuck off, I wouldn't want them thrown in prison either.

OP, we are not delusional. We are perfectly aware this shit goes on. We just don’t think it’s acceptable or inevitable.

Time and time again it is feminists who seem to have a higher opinion of men than those who think they are slathering idiots incapable of making the distinction between consent and harassment.

Entitlement is learned OP, and it is the common denominator of both “minor” incidents of harassment and more serious crimes like rape.

I agree op, I wouldn't want to label someone a pervert because they couldn't resist a squeeze of my bum tbh.

This is exactly the sort of attitude that pisses me off. It is not that they "can't resist" your backside, it's that they don't give a damn about touching you sexually without your consent.

It's so man hating as well. If I eat some roast chicken in front of my dog, she doesn't bite me to get it off me, or snatch it out of my hand, no matter how much she wants to eat it. You're basically saying men have less self control than a dog, and if that's really how you see men, then you must think they shouldn't be allowed to be the ones running the world or making the laws. Hell they probably shouldn't even be out without a female handler....

'Todd from Corrie' didn't squeeze someone's arse, just the once, drunkenly though did he? He groped a number of women in one night, and this includes very forcefully cupping and squeezing a woman's genitals, in what world is that ok, or 'not too bad'? It's fucking heinous is what it is. He should have gotten more than the sack.

As previous posters have said, this vile, disrespectful behaviour has been triviliased for decades, 'boys will be boys' and all that bollocks. It is way past time it is recognised and called out for what it is, men feeling women are no better than playthings, not worthy of respect, and it should not be tolerated.

I agree with you op. Its a bit OTT to get fired. I doubt anyone has been left traumatised by a bum squeeze to be honest

I doubt anyone has been left traumatised by a bum squeeze to be honest

Jesus wept.

Would you be happy with a child's bum being squeezed? If not, then why not?

I agree with you op. Its a bit OTT to get fired. I doubt anyone has been left traumatised by a bum squeeze to be honest

Is anyone traumatised if I steal from petty cash? No, but I'd still get sacked for it, and rightly so.

Op if you're going to pass comment on a recent sexual assault case then at least get your facts right. He didn't 'just' squeeze someone's bum, he also groped/aggressively grabbed another woman's genitals. He assaulted 4 different women that night. Drunken mistake? No. Entitled bellend who sees women as his personal playthings more like.

Also what is your obsession with trying to justify this behaviour by being drunk? Being drunk isn't an excuse to assault anybody. As women we shouldn't have to put up with having parts of our body touched without our consent. Yes people may do things when drunk that they wouldn't otherwise do but being drunk doesn't absolve someone of any potential consequences of that behaviour.

So sick of women sneering at other women's experiences because y'know, it could be worse. Maybe we should just be grateful that a bum grab is all most of us have ever had to put up with. Rather than standing up and saying "hang on, this isn't ok!".

If any male family member was caught grabbing bits of women in a nightclub I'd be so embarrassed. It would tell me a lot about how he views women. Actions speak louder than words after all. I would also expect him to face up to the consequences like people have to with any other crime.

I work with survivors of sexual violence. I am absolutely astounded (along with a lot of views on this thread) by the idea of a quick group in a nightclub being ‘safer’. A significant number of the younger women I see have experienced their serious sexual assault, rape and/or being drugged in nightclubs. It usually started with a quick grope or sexual approach that the survivor felt uncomfortable making a fuss about.

Attitudes like the OP’s collide in making it difficult for women to speak out. A boundary is a boundary.

A quick grope

Exactly so, Lam

It also perpetuates the idea that our bodies are public properties - I bet the men who “can’t resist” wouldn’t pick up an expensive watch from a jewellers display case without permission. Think about why that is.

I understand why the OP thinks as they do though wrong, do they understand why the rest of us think as we do?