Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

[Idreamofalandrover]

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

sheldon you are a Russian/Cambridge Analytica shill and I claim my five euro.

Disgraceful behaviour claiming that The Independent is fake news. You and your fellow Aaron Banks-rolled team will only be happy when the UK is an offshore tax haven for oligarchs and media billionaires.

A poll of 1400 people?

Don't be a fool.

All the polls before the vote said that more people were going to choose remain and that was clearly wrong, so what makes you think this poll is accurate to how everybody feels now?

It can happen.

I would prefer we ignore the first one.

No Constitutional validity.

I would be interesting if they had a poll to ask if anyone wanted another divisive referendum.

The data was taken from a small number of the independent newspaper readers

Where does it say they were Independent readers???

Its the dont knows being pushed for an answer/excluded from the numbers, that give the "swing".

They still want it though, because well, you know, sovereignty or something

That, and everybody warned them it would be shit, called them racist and ignorant - they are never going to back down and accept those people are right as it would be a massive loss of face and an admission that they are indeed ignorant and racist.

It won’t happen

Thank not only Cameron but the MP’s in parliament that voted to have a referendum with the acknowledgment that parliament would stand by what the public voted for

We all know it was advisory but 600 odd MP’s won’t go back on what they originally agreed to

The ballot paper question was very clear and those that bothered to vote did

We are stuck with it just wish we had cross party committee working on it

Originalfoogirl

Certainly some of them are racist and ignorant, but not all.

It was a very complex issue which was not properly debated during the referendum campaign. David Cameron let us all down massively by calling a referendum and then completely bungling it. He allowed the leave side to say and promise whatever the hell they liked and to completely dominate the so-called "debate" by dismissing all remainers' concerns as "project fear".

It was totally irresponsible to hold a referendum without assessing the impact of leaving the EU in the first place - in the various different scenarios for leaving - and agreeing a position on what type of arrangement we would be seeking in the event of a leave vote. (Essentially, whether we would stay in the single market or not, and if not, what the consequences would be for things like citizens' rights and the Irish border.)

But he didn't do that.

Nobody likes to admit that they were wrong. It's basic human psychology. How many times have you behaved like a complete twat and then refused to apologise or admit that you did something wrong because you just can't bring yourself to do it? I bet we've all done it more often than we'd like to admit.

I actually do think remain would win by a whisker if we held another referendum tomorrow. Some people do admit that they've changed their minds, people who have turned 18 since last year would mostly vote remain, some people who didn't bother to vote last year would probably come out and vote remain, and I don't seriously believe that people who voted remain last year would switch to leave. (Sure, there are a few people saying that, but in the privacy of the ballot box, would you really vote for more chaos if you didn't think it was a good idea last time? I seriously doubt it.)

But it wouldn't be a convincing win for remain because most people just simply wouldn't want to admit that they were wrong, or even acknowledge the possibility that they might be. And a lot of leave voters would probably be even more strident now, claiming that the reason things are going so badly is because the EU is trying to "punish us", and how dare anyone make us vote again.

Sigh.

@londonrach

"I voted to stAy vote to leave now."

why's that then? genuinely curious.

If we overturn the 2017 one, surely we should also overturn the 1975 one, on the strength of which we joined the Common Market.

I can't tell if this is in jest or not.

In jest or not, it's wrong. We didn't have a referendum to join the EEC. The 1975 referendum was on whether to leave once we were already in.

That's why I asked because it's just about the most ludicrous thing anyone could say. Let alone it being factually incorrect; it's absolutely batshit.

Of course, the 1975 was won by a massive thumping majority in favour of remaining, and then the leavers spent 40 years whining, and then they won the 2016 by a whisker after a shockingly bad campaign full of lies and false promises (which they immediately reneged on), but obviously the result of that one must be set in stone for all eternity because to do anything else would be profoundly undemocratic.

Always. Or we always don't. Always.

This is why I floated the idea that some people shouldn't be afforded a democratic vote. Not least because they just don't understand its basic tenets - that they actively seek to do away. But of course it wouldn't be democratic to do so, so the rest of us just have to lump it.

*Seek to do away with critical thinking. A dogmatic approach to such critical issues doesn't help anyone other than the headbangers.

If there WAS a referendum, what information would you like to know this time around?

I hated the negativity.

We needed information, not insinuation!

The Leave Campaigning media concentrated on how we'd been misled by the EU because we were on the wrong end of an abusive relationship. In sitcom terms, we were Harold Steptoe, whose ambitions for self improvement and enlightenment were being constantly thwarted by the old bitter alcoholic patriarch, Albert (played by Jean Claude Juncker)

The Remainers media warned were were being misled by the Leave Campaign. Their main theme seemed to be that Britain is an awful grey soggy island peopled by worthless knuckle dragging racists, that has nothing to contribute and has never given the world anything worthwhile.

In sitcom terms, we were Eddie Booth from Love Thy Neighbour, the small minded little englander, who always got his come uppance because all those around him were much more enlightened.

Surely we need some new sit coms to express the situation we're in now.

If we overturn the 2017 one, surely we should also overturn the 1975 one, on the strength of which we joined the Common Market.

^^ This part is factually incorrect.

How do u know I've not been asked again?

Aren't these the same pollsters who have got the last two elections and the referendum wrong?