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Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

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Idreamofalandrover · 16/12/2017 22:25

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

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allegretto · 17/12/2017 07:03

they can always leave the UK, and go live in a country that is in the EU.

Well they can't can they if we've left the EU? We don't know yet exactly what the terms are. So much for understanding what you voted for!

Elsouth · 17/12/2017 07:05

I remember election night David Mitchell said he would be banging on about the referendum result until the day he died. It made me chuckle, I didn't realise so many remainers felt that way. Bit odd really. If they had won and it swung to leave after would you want another vote? I highly doubt it. Plus seeing how the polls got it so wrong before the vote I don't see how they are reliable.
Leave won, end of. Now if only our politicians could pull their heads out their bums and realise that fact

Praisebe · 17/12/2017 07:09

I stupidly voted leave but given a 2nd vote id vote remain
Leave voters were lead askew by a barage of lies and false promises and i think the majority have realised their mistake now

TrollingWithMyHomies · 17/12/2017 07:18

Excellent points from Biber so I will just quote:

‘People's opinions certainly are changing as more facts come to light. Democracy is an ongoing process and we are allowed to change our minds. In 2012 David Davis famously said “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

Please sign this petition requesting that Parliament's vote on the Brexit deal must include an option to remain in the EU.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205169
^

It makes a lot of sense to me to have a vote like this. Brexiting is going to be an economic disaster so why not let our UK politicians behave like normal grown ups about it and allow choice on the basis of current understanding of the full picture, rather than all pressing on regardless based on blind faith and self-interested short termist political loyalties. Its completely self destructive for the country otherwise in so many ways.

shhhfastasleep · 17/12/2017 07:31

We have to suck it up and leave. I reserve the right to moan about the stupidity of it and to secretly judge those idiots who voted for it. Including beloved and, so I thought, intelligent family members and a couple of friends.

shhhfastasleep · 17/12/2017 07:33

And get my EU rights back by claiming an Irish passport (dh too) and applying for one for my dd.

londonrach · 17/12/2017 07:36

dont believe this for one moment. If you talk to people they more keen on brexit with alot saying they now vote to leave. I voted to stay. It was a vote therefore needs carrying out.

londonrach · 17/12/2017 07:37

I voted to stAy vote to leave now.

MrsPworkingmummy · 17/12/2017 07:41

Nobody asked me so I can be added on to that percentage. I voted leave last time, and would do so again.

StealthPolarBear · 17/12/2017 07:47

A small sample can be accurate if the sampling is representative. There isn't usually a fundamental problem with small sample sizes, when they're in their thousands. The issue is usually with the representative requirement.

Herbcake · 17/12/2017 07:57

How would a vote on the final deal even work? The 'deal' will be long and detailed - there won't be many people who agree or disagree with every aspect, more a mixed bag of things they like and things they don't. And that's those who bother to read it. And it still won't forecast the future and tell us if it's the right thing to do or not, and what the impact will be.

And if we vote against it, what does that mean? We make them go back and negotiate for another two years? All of it of some of it? How do they know which bits the public have rejected?

Or do we take it a vote against the deal as a vote to stay?

PaintingByNumbers · 17/12/2017 08:01

Stupidity and ignorance isn't a temporary affliction, so I doubt a new referendum result would look much different.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 17/12/2017 08:01

There won't be another referendum and as it looks like we really will be leaving the EU I want to understand why this is the best thing for our country apart from stuff about bananas and rhetoric about 'getting our country back' whatever that means.
All I see coming down the train tracks is economic disaster, and political and economic obscurity for our once respected country.
I am not a snowflake and neither are my friends and colleagues - we're educated, smart, thoughtful, hard working people and none of us believe Brexit is a good idea.
We are not moaners either - most of us are just genuinely baffled.
Whenever I ask a leaver to tell me how Brexit will advantage our country they become confrontational and call me names like 'snowflake'. I find this utterly bizarre.
As it would seem that Brexit really is going ahead I really hope the leavers are proved right and I am proved wrong.

whirlygirly · 17/12/2017 08:10

I don't think there should be another vote and would have strongly preferred we stay. (Understatement)

I cannot fathom what, given the debacle of the last 18 months would have since convinced even more people we should have voted leave. Look at the money we're pissing away trying to sort out this mess.

I think my views must just be really out of sync with the majority of the uk.

ForalltheSaints · 17/12/2017 08:12

At the very least I think we should have a referendum on the deal with the EU.

Whizziwig · 17/12/2017 08:23

I can't see there being a second referendum given the government clearly don't know how to handle one. They failed to publicise that it was not binding and they failed to ensure the public had access to balanced, objective sources of information. I believe before a referendum in Ireland, a neutral information booklet is produced and distributed to households. Perhaps an Irish MNer could correct me if I'm wrong.

I can't fathom why TM made such a song and dance about leaving the EEA after the referendum as this would have fulfilled the obligations of the result and been palatable to most remainers. However, it looks increasingly likely, now the issues with the Irish border have finally come to prominence, that this is the kind of arrangement we'll end up with anyway, we'll just give it another name and do a much-publicised trade deal with someone like New Zealand just to prove that we can.

Frederickvonhefferneffer · 17/12/2017 08:26

Yesterday 22:28 TheQueenOfWands

I'm not voting again, I'm done with that malarkey.

Wow. Apathy at its finest

Humpsfor20yards · 17/12/2017 08:28

they can always leave the UK, and go live in a country that is in the EU

What a twat. Grin

I know four leave voters who have died since the ref and two who pretend they voted remain so no it's not as clear cut as people are pretending. Many people who voted leave have realised they were lied to and don't want to be worse off.

I just hope those who want this suffer more than those who didn't- because we are all going to suffer -(maybe not millionaires farage, Johnson, rees mogg etc,) but the rest of us are screwed.

givemesteel · 17/12/2017 08:56

If a second vote was put on the table the powers that be in the EU would have zero incentive to negotiate a good deal. They would behave even worse than they have now in the hope they could intimidate us in to staying.

The UK may still vote to leave, leaving us with a much worse deal than we would have got otherwise.

Plus if there was another referendum which led to the UK remaining the civil consequences would be like we've never seen in this country. Hate crime would get to ridiculous levels and there would be a proper emergence of the far right like some other eu countries have seen.

Another vote would be a disaster for this country in my opinion.

KathArtic · 17/12/2017 08:59

Merkel can't form a government and Macron's popularity is falling, so the EU doesn't look as attractive now it's starting to crumble who'd want to stay?

NameChanger22 · 17/12/2017 09:03

We need another vote. I hope so much that we do. There is far too much as stake to just go ahead with it.

InfiniteSheldon · 17/12/2017 09:03

41% of People who read a fake news website. You are not really convincing me.

DeathMetalMum · 17/12/2017 09:07

I voted to stay, and was truly devastated with the result.

However I think Brexit needs to happen asap, that way the economy can stabilise. Obviously the economy is going to be unstable for a while after Brexit actually happenes but I just want it done so the country can begin to recover from the mess sooner rather than later.

muttmad · 17/12/2017 09:11

The data was taken from a small number of the independent newspaper readers, who will be by the nature of the paper pro remain, I'm shocked that there was such a large percentage of their readers that would still vote leave! This actually suggests on a wider scale if the survey had represented a wider section of the community the results would have been completely the opposite!

meditrina · 17/12/2017 09:15

It was a referendum, not an opinion poll.

A single question put to the electorate for determination.

The decision was made.

You can't rerun the campaigns with the benefit of hindsight.