Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

[Idreamofalandrover]

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

Hush now @LoveInTokyo computer will think you're calling them stupid. Please desist

^The benefits of leaving the EU could be whatever we want them to be. We could decide we want to trade with whoever, decide to make any law we decide, decide literally anything we want.

As long as we aren't handcuffed by the EU then we are the masters of our own destiny now. Cheesy as it sounds there can be many benefits to that obviously^

Yeah we can do those things, but only if we go back on the promise we made ten days ago to honour the Good Friday Agreement.

LoveInTokyo

but the only statement of reality in that paragraph is the possibility that Ireland could destabilise.

There is no civil war between remainers and leavers and it is a stretch to state that Brexit caused however many millions of Americans to vote trump when that alternative was just as bad and that many many Americans knew what Brexit was about.

GardenGeek

There can't be a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU because that would completely undermine the EU single market. Not gonna happen.

But there can't be a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland because that would be a fundamental breach of the Good Friday Agreement, throwing people's lives in both countries into turmoil and putting the peace process at great risk. That is why Theresa May agreed last week - because there was no way the EU would agree to move on to trade talks otherwise - that there will have to be regulatory equivalence between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, both on the day we leave and going forward into the future.

This means that from a trade and regulation point of view, Northern Ireland must do whatever the Republic of Ireland does, which means it must do whatever the EU does.

But putting up a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK would also be likely to stir up the troubles again because there is (just about) a majority of people in Northern Ireland who identify as British and not Irish. The DUP (who are currently propping up Theresa May's weak and wobbly government and without whom she does not have a working majority) have made it clear that there can be no solution which involves Northern Ireland being treated differently to the rest of the UK. If the DUP don't get what they want and withdraw their support from the Tories, the government will literally collapse.

So, to recap. The Republic of Ireland must do whatever the EU does because of EU law. Northern Ireland must do whatever the Republic of Ireland does because of the Good Friday Agreement (which the Government has said it can honour). The rest of the UK must do whatever Northern Ireland does, otherwise in the immediate short term the Government will collapse, and in the longer term a whole load of shit will kick off in Northern Ireland.

And so the only workable solution is that the UK must do whatever the EU does, without having any further say in what the EU does.

How's that sovereignty working out for us, eh?

@GardenGeek

Good luck with this and thanks for taking over.

It's a bit of a rum audience. Flat Earthers mostly. They've got a map that labels anywhere outside of Europe with the words "Here Be Dragons"

Some cult leader called Jean Claude Juncker has convinced them that if they sail too far away from Dieppe they will fall off the edge of the world. (That's if the Dragons don't pull the boat under water)

There is literally no reasoning with them. These are characters that HG Wells would have rejected as too risible.

I will pop back and see how you are doing. You might have to constrain your expectations. I don't think any of them are going to begin to enjoy life any time soon. The Cult of Conformity has trapped their minds.

By the way, if you see them assemble a giant wicker basket and building what looks like a bonfire, get out of there as soon as you can!

Computer, is that your attempt to demonstrate how mature, intelligent and reasonable leave voters are?

There is literally no reasoning with them. These are characters that HG Wells would have rejected as too risible

I'm one of those traditionalists that requires reasoned debate to have, well, reason. Your posts seem fundamentally lacking in anything other than a vain hope to be amusing and are completely devoid of sentient debating techniques

Well, oh well, oh well.

Look who we have here.

Come in, @Rufustherenegadereindeer1

I have been expecting you.

You amuse me Rufus.

I am going to reply to you last!

Then the world will be mine. etc

I'm giving up on this thread. There really is no hope for humanity.

If the elitists can't construct a sentient argument without resorting to cheap insults, what hope is there for we humble knuckle draggers?

Still, i'm sure you know all the answers

I'm afraid that is literally the case, GardenGeek.

Take free movement of goods, for example. Unless we agree that we will not produce goods which don't conform to EU standards or import goods from the rest of the world on different terms to which they can be imported into the rest of the EU, there will have to be a hard border and customs checks otherwise Northern Ireland will become a smuggling hotspot. There's really no other way round it.

computer please don't say all Leavers do this. It's incorrect.

Also computer all remainers think...

Why are Leave permitted to formulate their own opinions whilst Remain are brainwashed?

Of course you can't have different regulations if you have an open border.

So if some people who voted out genuinely feel conned now and change their minds, are they supposed to stick with the votes just because its democracy? Even though it might ruin their kids' future?

Oh this bloody computer I couldn't agree more. Even on here's the comments used are Vile but they come from posters sneering at leavers and put words in people's mouths.... You will only see on here's for instance racist language used by some posters imagining how they think other people feel or perhaps they are racist and it's a sly way to make racist comments.

It's an common tactic to degenerate the enemy, call them thick and stupid etc

To clarify, I think that Computer comes across as stupid because she won't stop using stupid words like "remainiac", but if she stops I will be more than happy to reconsider. Not a difficult concept.

So if some people who voted out genuinely feel conned now and change their minds, are they supposed to stick with the votes just because its democracy? Even though it might ruin their kids' future?

Yes

"If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy."

said David David, the chief Brexiteer.

@JacquesHammer

Fair enough. I don't think all Remainers are snap judges. Otherwise I'd be very lonely because I know plenty of remainers. And yes, they are friends and family and, despite their terrible failings, I still love them.

I accept some vote leavers are a bit xenophobic. (But fears can be overcome. Social attitudes change. I like to think most people are quite social once their initial fears have been assuaged.)

Anyway, I really must go now at's nearly 9:30 and I haven't started work.

This web site is addictive.

What wot changed minds are quite common and mot just the preserve of leavers. Remainers have been appalled by the eu since the vote and have decided its a good thing to be leaving this bullying organisation.

Punishing members for choosing to leave rather than making it so wonderful we wished we were staying.

I don't know anyone who voted remain and is now looking around thinking, well, this is going really well, I don't know why I ever thought leaving the EU would be a bad idea!

To clarify, I think that Computer comes across as stupid because she won't stop using stupid words like "remainiac", but if she stops I will be more than happy to reconsider. Not a difficult concept

I'd be surprised if computer isn't male.