Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

[Idreamofalandrover]

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

Agree with love ...again

if they are all remainers, then I wish you merry christmas from a leaver

That's the bizarrest segue ever. 🙄

JacquesHammer

Do I think all racist people voted Leave? Absolutely

I know several racists that voted remain, they voted remain because they wanted to keep a source of low paid people with very few rights that they could make money out of.

Their businesses do very well out of gangs of EU workers.

I know several racists that voted remain

Really interesting thanks.

Then of course it makes my blood boil that people are still racist 😂

Just to re-iterate.

There are racists on both sides.

Sure, there are xenophobes who voted Brexit.

But there are plenty of racist remainers. Theirs is the racism of low expectations of Johnny and Jane Foreigner. Theirs is the racism of treating people differently, on account of their nationality.

They cannot see, for example, corruption in the regime of Jean Claude Juncker as despicable because, you see, Juncker is a foreigner, so they apply different rules.

If you apply different rules to someone, based on their ethnicity or nationality, then surely that's textbook bigotry.

The system of government is rubbish. We have no influence within it whatsoever. When David Cameron went cap in hand for a better deal, they laughed at his desperation and he came back utterly humiliated.

Tony Blair pretended to be a good European but at the last minute, a better offer came up, sucking up to George Bush, so we joined in a crazy war in the Middle East. (That the EU opposed).

There doesn't seem to be any joined up thinking. None of the papers is able to explain the workings of the EU.

The BBC is the same.

Boney, that's not project fear, it's project reality.

The leave campaign employed a company called Cambridge Analytica to help them with their social media campaigning and Trump was so impressed he hired them to help with his campaign too. Why do you think he and Nige are such BFFs?

As for the Northern Irish issue, did all that stuff about the border last week go right over your head or what? The Good Friday Agreement was a key component to achieving a successful peace process and it only functions if there is no hard border. That's why Leo Varadkar put his foot down and that's why it was a red line for the EU.

And that's why we are probably not going to get any kind of meaningful Brexit, because there can't be a hard border between Ireland and the rest of the EU, but there can't be a hard border between either Ireland and Northern Ireland or Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK without breaching the Good Friday Agreement and starting up the troubles again. There are no other options.

So don't start going on about "Project Fear" please, because I'm afraid that is another phrase that just makes me think, ah...this person is a complete idiot.

@GardenGeek
In reference to my comment on trade and your response:
Of course there could be benefits

I'd be interested to know which benefits you're thinking might materialise?

@OhThisbloodyComputer Putting aside the fact that Juncker is in your words a 'foreigner' and subsequently remainers regard him differently can you please explain this point:
They cannot see, for example, corruption in the regime of Jean Claude Juncker as despicable
What is Juncker's regime and in what way is it despicable?

@VladmirsPoutine

I don't literally mean it is a monarchy. Surely you have the capacity to appreciate nuance. He wasn't elected and he does act like a little emperor. Please don't get all pompous on me. you are explifying the point I made about Remainiacs and theri delusions of grandeur.

As if to prove my point, @LoveInTokyo above tells me I'm stupid in the first line of their response.

If you bandy about conceited phrases like this how can you have a cogent discussion with someone who doesn't actually know anything about what it is they are talking about then people will always instinctively reject you.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you're not a high ranking civil servant or a brain surgeon are you? You are a poster on Mumsnet.

To paraphrase the Life of Brian: You're not the Messiah - you're just a very haughty poster!

Be polite to people please.

Computer, once again, you forfeit the right to tell other people to be polite or to object to people thinking you are stupid when you use words like "remainiac". Please desist.

Oh by the way, I actually was a civil servant and part of my job was advising the government on EU law and on Brexit. But then I quit and moved abroad, thank god.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you're not a high ranking civil servant or a brain surgeon are you? You are a poster on Mumsnet

Can people not be both? How patronising.

Oh by the way, I actually was a civil servant and part of my job was advising the government on EU law and on Brexit

this is my favourite response on this thread

There seems to be a fair bit of baby-boomer bashing on here!

I would just like to say, as a boomer myself, that I voted Remain, as did DH, his sister, my sisters and their husbands and all the members of my book club! We are all passionate Remainers!

Please don't think that all boomers are selfish, ignorant and deluded. I know some are - but not me!!

@VladmirsPoutine

I'd better leave you to it as I'm now posting too much and I don't think that goes down well generally on Mumsnet. (It's being goady apparently)

Private Eye magazine ran an expose on all the tax avoiding scams and backroom deals that Juncker is behind. (I think two or three issues back they quantified the value to be around €50 billion) I will dig out the links.

Or you could email them and ask. ([email protected])

I'm supposed to be working now and this has become a dangerous distraction. I promise I will dig out the links.

Meanwhile, if you and @LoveInTokyo could refrain from calling everyone stupid and idiots (maybe use full stops for punctuation instead) that might help you won friends in influence pollsters.

Bon soir, cheerio, chin chin!

80sMum - I know that, and sincere apologies if you thought I was bashing you all.

My parents and aunts and uncles are mostly passionate remainers too.

OhThisbloodyComputer

If being a high ranking civil servant gives you the right to say stuff isn't Junker a lot like a civil servant?

By saying Junker acts like an Emperor you are implying he has too much power and there are no democratic constraints on that power. I would be interested to read the specifics of those claims.

To save time. In previous threads posters have made these claims and they have been refuted with reference to the democratic processes and institutions of the EU. Please feel free to prove Junker is an autocrat.

Computer, it's quite simple. When you use words like "remoaner" or "remainiac", it makes you look simple-minded and lacking in any convincing arguments. If you refrain from using such childish language, we might start taking you seriously.

It is not for us to stop thinking you are an idiot - it is up to you to stop behaving like one.

Then in 2 years time - something happens and only 41% of people want to stay in EU another vote??? Start the whole thing again????

I'd better leave you to it as I'm now posting too much and I don't think that goes down well generally on Mumsnet

It's the patronising that doesn't go down well. The style of your overly verbose posting is ironic given your accusations of others having delusions of grandeur.

@80sMum

thanks for exemplifying my point about empty moral posturing

Please don't think that all boomers are selfish, ignorant and deluded. I know some are - but not me!!

Well done! Look at 80sMum everybody. She's not a racist!!!!

Thank goodness for saintly people like this.

And computer proves everyone's point..again

She didn't actually say she wasn't a racist. She said she wasn't selfish, ignorant and deluded.