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Only 41% want to brexit now, time to vote again asap

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Idreamofalandrover · 16/12/2017 22:25

www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EA0Q6

Biggest swing towards remain now people are smelling the coffee

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Farontothemaddingcrowd · 17/12/2017 19:39

Yes Cameron's arrogance caused this. He had no idea the British public would vote against themselves like this. Still, he's personally immune from the effects, so doesn't care much, I imagine.

allegretto · 17/12/2017 19:39

We certainly won't have the best healthcare in Europe if we let everyone come and use it. That's why it took an hour to book a gp appointment the other day. Too many people for system.

And getting rid of thousands of EU doctors and nurses is going to help how exactly?

Battleax · 17/12/2017 19:40

Cameron should have put his foot down and stood up to them but instead he gambled with the country's future to save his own career and lost.

And that's it. That's what happened

Everybody insulting each other (extremes of both sides are too numerous), treating the democratic process as if it were a game of rock, paper, scissors and opening their other people are too stupid to vote is horrible to read and getting quite wearing.

Battleax · 17/12/2017 19:40

Opining that^

VladmirsPoutine · 17/12/2017 19:41

@GardenGeek Trade will be the biggest shit show you can imagine. Of all the contentions surrounding Brexit; trade really will be tanking of our economy.

GardenGeek · 17/12/2017 19:41

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OhThisbloodyComputer · 17/12/2017 19:41

@Farontothemaddingcrowd

Thank you for being polite and not abusing me personally.

Thee were, sadly, millions of vocal, obnoxious remainiacs who used every opportunity to elevate themselves ("look at me everybody! I'm not a racist!!)" and, just in case that wasn't enough to make their moral grandstanding noticeable, belittling their fellow citizens ("Oh, but that old man over there. He is a racist!!).

This strategy, though a temporary boost for their own personal profile, was massively damaging on a number of levels.

It created bitter divisions in society.

It created the false impression that Britain is an awful racist hell hole full of knuckle dragging scumbags. I like to think it's a liberal minded tolerant country. So do many of the people who come here. Otherwise, why would they bother?

Thirdly, the awful false posturing and misrepresention by the Remainiacs sent a message out to all the guests in our country. The subtext was that they are not welcome.

Now, I accept that they probably didn't do that deliberately. Being approval junkie narcissists, they were probably only thinking of themselves.

But by insisting that the vote was about hating foreigners, they unwittingly sent the most poisonous message possible to every visitor to our country. It was the Remaininacs that insulted people across the globe, from Caracas to Kuala Lumpur, because they kept putting the message out that 52% of the British population hates them.

Completely untrue. How could they possible know the voting intentions of 17 million people they had never met and, by their own admission, people they would never bring themselves to talk to anyway.

So, well done Remainiacs. I hope you are proud of your instant judgements and juvenile posturing. Nice work.

If they were truly as literate and intelligent as they made out, they'd have been able to articulate their arguments without recourse to the dirtiest trick in town, exploitation of racial sensitivities.

That's what pisses me off

Battleax · 17/12/2017 19:44

It created bitter divisions in society.

I'm actually more worried about that now that I am in keeping hold of a burgundy passport computer.

Cantspell2 · 17/12/2017 19:44

I heard an article on the radio last week that came from the progress made with the talks so far and it gave the figures of 3 million eu nationals in and 1 million U.K. nationals out.
Don’t know how accurate these figures are but they did come from a bbc radio show so I would like to think they did their homework before going to air.
I don’t think these sort of figures can be substained in the long run and am I the only one who thinks that richer Western European countries stealing the youth and talents of poorer Eastern European countries is not good for either country?

Humpsfor20yards · 17/12/2017 19:45

What are the benefits everyone is looking forward to enjoying the most?

JacquesHammer · 17/12/2017 19:45

@OhThisBloodyComputer

I know three people who voted Leave personally. All three (including one family member I no longer see) were very vocal they voted Brexit because the don't like foreigners.

Am I supposed to not report my experiences to avoid offending sensibilities of people so paranoid they extrapolate?

Do I believe all Brexiters are racist? No.

Do I think all racist people voted Leave? Absolutely

Do I think the result has meant an increase in racism? Yes.

LoveInTokyo · 17/12/2017 19:50

Computer, if you are concerned about the "bitter divisions in our society" then perhaps you should set a good example and stop using childish insults like "remainiacs"?

Just a thought.

GardenGeek · 17/12/2017 19:57

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OhThisbloodyComputer · 17/12/2017 20:01

@JacquesHammer

thanks for this. Thanks for accepting that not all Brexiters are racists.

I can accept that not all people who wanted to keep faith with the EU are Remainiacs. (Part of me wanted to stay. I originally voted for the Common Market, and loved the idea of our combined expertise being greater than the sum of our parts)

But what a bitter disappointment.

I never voted for a European Army. I never voted for the Monarchy of Jean Claude Juncker. Good grief, is he supposed to exemplify the best that Europe can be? He's more despicable than Mad King George III and be makes even less sense.

I never voted for an even less accountable system of government than we've got in our own country.

I'm sorry that you know some Xenophobic vote leavers. They aren't the sort of people I'd want on my side. (Then again, every vote matters, I suppose.)

Having said that, your sample size, - three people - isn't statistically significant enough for a data analysis.

I disagree about the rise in racism but that's hard to prove either way.

LoveInTokyo · 17/12/2017 20:02

If Computer has a point then she isn't making it very well.

Whenever I see someone using words like "remoaner" or "remainiac" or "snowflake" or saying "you lost get over it" I just think they are a complete idiot, I'm afraid.

And the same people are invariably outraged when people think leave voters are stupid.

Mate, if you don't want people to think you're stupid, stop acting like you are! Show us what an intelligent Brexiters looks like.

GardenGeek · 17/12/2017 20:05

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OhThisbloodyComputer · 17/12/2017 20:05

@LoveInTokyo

If you find it offensive I will stop. Sorry about that. I was getting carried away. (I don't think ALL remainers are mad. We've got one at work. He's a lovely fella. He doesn't mind at all. Now, here listen, i'm not like that at all..... etc)

Please will you stop people from linking Brexit to racism?

JacquesHammer · 17/12/2017 20:06

Thanks for accepting that not all Brexiters are racists

What do you mean? I don't need to "accept" anything, I've never thought that Hmm

Having said that, your sample size, - three people - isn't statistically significant enough for a data analysis

Well yes, bravo. Do show me where I suggested that? I'll repeat. It was MY reported experience. If paranoid Brexiters decide that's me talking about them, I can't help that.

I disagree about the rise in racism but that's hard to prove either way

I live near one of the most supposedly multicultural cities in England. Racism has categorically increased. Check out the In Limbo project for experiences

Battleax · 17/12/2017 20:06

Whenever I see someone using words like "remoaner" or "remainiac" or "snowflake" or saying "you lost get over it" I just think they are a complete idiot, I'm afraid.

Completely agree.

But on the other side there are people endlessly ranting that all leave voters are "stupid", "thick", "racist", "old", "uneducated" or "will be dead soon", or they're complaining that their lives have been "ruined" and that the vote should be rerun when they say it should. They look equally idiotic.

The view from the middle isn't very edifying.

VladmirsPoutine · 17/12/2017 20:09

I never voted for a European Army. I never voted for the Monarchy of Jean Claude Juncker. Good grief, is he supposed to exemplify the best that Europe can be? He's more despicable than Mad King George III and be makes even less sense.

Another thing that's difficult to do is have a meaningful discussion when the person you're discussing the issue with has not a single clue about even the most basic operations of the EU and its institutions.

That's the thing, everyone's entitled to their own opinion on the rights and wrongs of Brexit but how can you have a cogent discussion with someone who doesn't actually know anything about what it is they are talking about.

For a start none of us elected Juncker. That's not how it works. But I think given the standard of press coverage of the EU over the past few decades I'm not surprised we have people that still talk of 'European Armies' and banning kebabs or straightening bananas.

GardenGeek · 17/12/2017 20:12

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LoveInTokyo · 17/12/2017 20:14

I don't find it offensive, I just think it makes you look stupid. Sorry.

"Remoaner" and "remainiac" are just rather unoriginal words coined to try and dismiss the legitimate concerns of remain voters about how Brexit is going to impact them and the rest of the country.

People are entitled to be worried and concerned, especially since it is clear that there was never really a plan and that solutions to huge, huge issues are being drawn up on the back of a fag packet by a bunch of incompetent fuckwits (talking about the politicians there).

If you're à remain voter whose partner is an EU national, or who lives near the border in Ireland, or whose job might be at risk because of Brexit, or who is struggling to make ends meet now the cost of food is increasing, you have every right to be concerned and you have every right to want answers. And it's natural to be angry that people apparently voted leave without considering any of these issues, or dismissing them as "project fear" when now it is pretty much all coming true.

Saying "I understand why you are concerned but I still ultimately think leaving the EU is the right thing to do because XYZ" is a position I can respect, even if I don't agree with it.

Saying, "You lost, get over it, remoaners!" is not an intelligent position to take and it tends to make people like me think, christ, we left the most important decision affecting our country in most of our life times to people like this.

JacquesHammer · 17/12/2017 20:14

If your a nice respectable person you probably know more leave voters than you realise

I don't know many people thankfully Grin

The people I care about/mix with were all ardent and active remainers.

Lime19 · 17/12/2017 20:17

Well said computer!

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/12/2017 20:20

LoveInTokyo

Well you missed anyone that votes for Brexit is a racist and thick.

""Brexit almost certainly helped Trump to the White House and now he and Kim Jong Fatty are threatening to lob missiles at each other, and closer to home we practically have a civil war between leavers and remainers, and we will actually have one over Northern Ireland if the government don't abide by the Good Friday Agreement.""

And you wonder where the term project fear came from.

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