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Trump thread # 100 “Cannot you see that I, too, have a tall and beautiful person?”

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TheClaws · 16/12/2017 06:25

Roman Emperor Nero wrote the above in a manual titled ‘Care of the Hair’. Nero was tyrannical, vain and cruel, and thought little of the lives of others. He also liked to erect buildings and carve his name into them. Smile if only we could learn well from the past.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3104707--Uneasy-lies-the-head-that-wears-the-crown-as-it-should-be-Trump-thread-continued

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FantasticButtocks · 16/12/2017 13:27

I just need to placemark before I lose signal (on train)
BrewCake

lionheart · 16/12/2017 13:44

If you are on a train you are probably longing for a decent cup of gin tea and anything edible cake. Gin Cake

badbadhusky · 16/12/2017 13:45

The Westminsterenders threads are also legend, but move so quickly that I struggle to keep up, let alone post.

PerkingFaintly · 16/12/2017 15:44

Another try at lionheart's link:

johnpavlovitz.com/2017/12/16/banned-cdc-list-religious-right-terrorism/

Donald Trump has reportedly banned the CDC from using the following words in their policies, budgets, and communications:

Evidence-based
Science-based
Fetuses
Transgender
Vulnerable
Entitlement
Diversity
[...]
As a Christian and twenty-year pastor, one who’s served for much of that time in the American Bible Belt—the list is eerily familiar.

It’s the extreme Evangelical Christian Right’s signature mix tape, the careful curated playlist they’ve had on heavy rotation in their indie gatherings for the past 60 years—only now it’s getting wide release, thanks to the monster they’ve aligned with; one who’s perfectly happy to disseminate it to keep their union intact.

Every sick, perverse Right Wing religious line of attack is there within those words:

A disregarding of scientific fact in favor of necessary religious mythology.
The unrelenting demonizing of the LGBTQ community.
The hyperbolic vilifying of those defending a woman’s right to choose.
The neglect of the poor and marginalizing and coddling of the wealthy.
Open contempt for people of brown skin, foreigners, immigrants.
Historic misogyny and raging white supremacy.

The list is a bulleted seven-point Sunday sermon outline, the kind that’s been given every weekend in pulpit pounding churches by spitting, sweating, furiously angry white men—who tell people the sky is falling and assure them only a vengeful white God can hold it up. They’re a list perfectly designed to leverage the fear Bible Belt Evangelicals work specifically and almost solely in.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 15:45

Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC

Robert Mueller:

-Guided America through 9/11
-Awarded the Bronze Star with Combat "V" for valor in battle
-The Purple Heart
-Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal w/ Combat "V" for valor
-The Vietnam Gallantry Cross

He is an American hero.

Preet Bharara
@PreetBharara
Agreed. Robert Mueller's attackers are virtually all political operatives & ideologues. They have always been the swamp; he has always been the oasis. But I would caution liberal ideologues also - he is not your savior; he's just a lawman. Respect his findings, whatever they are.

Peter Daou
@peterdaou
I'm not sure "liberal ideologues" are the issue, but this @PreetBharara tweet affirms my belief that too much hope is being placed on #Mueller's investigation. He will not take Trump down, simply because the GOP, one way or the other, won't let him.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 15:47

Hackers demand ransom for California voter database

thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/365113-hackers-demand-ransom-for-california-voter-database?amp&__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 15:48

Murdoch's Disney deal is a boon for Fox News

Analysts say the network could extend its influence into broadcast TV in a streamlined company.

www.politico.com/story/2017/12/14/disney-fox-news-broadcast-tv-rupert-murdoch

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 15:51

How Deutsche Bank Enabled A Dirty Offshore Bank To Move Dark Money

The German giant processed hundreds of millions of dollars of suspicious transactions into the US for a Cyprus bank awash with dirty money linked to the Kremlin, Syrian chemical weapons, organised crime, and ISIS.

www.buzzfeed.com/tomwarren/how-deutsche-processed-millions-for-a-dirty-bank?utm_term=.copq6VZm1#.ky2V0XqZ3

cozietoesie · 16/12/2017 16:01

Pain

Murdoch thinks he's tying up ends. Wait and see.

PerkingFaintly · 16/12/2017 16:09

I can't find the reference, but a friend mentioned that Murdoch hasn't given up on acquiring Sky, and to keep an eye out for another bid before the Disney deal is actually enacted.

And from Pain's Politico link:
The deal happened at the same time that local television station giant Sinclair is in the process of acquiring Tribune Broadcasting, a deal which would give the company access to 72 percent of TV households in America. Rumors have swirled that Sinclair has designs on amping up its news programming, and the company has had to deny reports that it was courting disgraced former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly.

Again, don't have link to hand, but IIUC Sinclair have been buying local stations and giving centralised orders about covering specific political stories.

Add that to the Koch brothers' sudden interest in media...

Lots of grabs for media control going on right now.

Roussette · 16/12/2017 16:13

In the name of all that is holy, can the POTUS really promote himself via a book? Surely there's rules or summat...

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
Follow Follow @realDonaldTrump
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Congratulations to two great and hardworking guys, Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie, on the success of their just out book, “Let Trump Be Trump.” Finally people with real knowledge are writing about our wonderful and exciting campaign!

6:52 am - 16 Dec 2017

PerkingFaintly · 16/12/2017 16:19

Oh, here we go:

"Sinclair stations are required to run segments featuring conservative commentary. One recurring segment is led by Boris Epshteyn, a former Trump administration official who was hired by Sinclair as an analyst in April. White House adviser Jared Kushner said last year that the Trump campaign had a deal with Sinclair in order to secure positive coverage."
money.cnn.com/2017/11/10/media/sinclair-tribune-merger/index.html

More here, but I'm over my NYTimes free articles, so can't check the content of this:

Sinclair Requires TV Stations To Air Segments That Tilt to the RIght
www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/business/media/sinclair-broadcast-komo-conservative-media.html?_r=0&mtrref=thesternfacts.com&gwh=0AA013B0A539B20323D86844A61F5616&gwt=pay

As I understand it, the rub here is that people tend to trust their local stations quite highly, and are unaware that their "local" station is now under centralised editorial control by Sinclair.

PerkingFaintly · 16/12/2017 17:08

More re the banned words:

CDC gets list of forbidden words: fetus, transgender, diversity
www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.e7f93b284794

In some instances, the analysts were given alternative phrases. Instead of “science-based” or ­“evidence-based,” the suggested phrase is “CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes,” the person said. In other cases, no replacement words were immediately offered.
[...]
Other CDC officials confirmed the existence of a list of forbidden words.It’s likely that other parts of HHS are operating under the same guidelines regarding the use of these words, the analyst said.

Dunlurking · 16/12/2017 17:39

Delurking to post a link to today's Guardian's article on buying gifts for the Trump-hater in your life Hope no one posted upthread without me noticing.

Please please be right that things may be moving in a positive direction. The noises coming from the GOP about shutting down Mueller aren't filling me with confidence.

lionheart · 16/12/2017 17:46

Thanks Perking.
Smile

lionheart · 16/12/2017 17:52

Kyle Cheney‏Verified account
@kyledcheney

Carter Page just sent a 15-page letter to @SenFeinstein that includes this remarkable line.

Trump thread # 100 “Cannot you see that I, too, have a tall and beautiful person?”
Alwaysinmyheart · 16/12/2017 18:03

Quick ( hungover ) placemark!

And again thanks to everyone keeping these threads going. I’ve namechanged a few times since the start and I also go through phases of not being able to face reading them, then something else outrageous happens again and here is always the first place I come to! Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 18:15

Amazing list of pressies dun (also fab name!). I deliberated for ages about adding a donation to the article 50 legal challenge crowd fund or to the stop funding hate campaign on my secret Santa wish list but was worried I’d look like a sanctimonious twat. As it was a family secret Santa, I decided they already know that I’m a sanctimonious twat so just went for it.

This really isn’t looking good

mobile.twitter.com/RanttNews/status/942090686949744640/video/1

lionheart · 16/12/2017 18:16

How to fightback.

Alabama

lionheart · 16/12/2017 18:18

Furious vulva chocolates anyone? Hmm

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/16/trump-hater-gift-guide

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 18:38

On the banned words (which I am still grappling with how publicly they are showing their end goals):

Sarah Kendzior‏Verified account
@sarahkendzior

Everyone is sending me the CDC word list. Yes, of course it's a sign of authoritarianism.

But the worst signs are those that don't announce themselves. Look for more nefarious paths to censorship: partisan firings, funding cuts, prohibitions on public documents.

I warned a few months ago about the ramifications of Trump admin suppression of data and manipulative phrasing designed to strengthen autocracy:

www.fastcompany.com/40481800/how-data-can-save-us-from-the-trumpocalypse

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2017 18:52

Do you feel like you don't have enough to worry about? Fear not! The Trump administration has plenty to offer everyone this holiday season.

Asha Rangappa‏Verified account
@AshaRangappa_
MUELLER THREAD. We should all (obviously) be concerned if Trump fires Mueller. But, in my opinion, we should be even MORE concerned if he fires DAG Rod Rosenstein. Here's why:

  1. The investigation into Russia's election interference began well before Mueller came on the scene, in June 2016. It is an investigation that existed independent of him. He didn't "start" it.
  2. Likewise, if he leaves, it won't "end" it. Mueller was appointed mainly to insulate an ongoing investigation from conflicts of interest that arose from Comey's firing. If he leaves, some of that insulation is gone. BUT:
  3. The FBI has a statutory mandate to investigate potential violations of federal law and threats to national security. Just because Mueller leaves doesn't mean that those cases just get dumped in the trash. They are obligated to continue investigation them to their resolution.
  4. It's also useful to think of FBI investigations as fractals. Each case can spawn a new case, depending on what's uncovered. In other words, if during an investigation of one violation, you uncover another, that's a new case.
  5. So while we talk about the "Russia investigation," that is really an umbrella for what is likely many cases involving both criminal and counterintelligence threads. Those don't just disappear.7. Further, some of these like the indictments and plea deals we've seen are already in the judicial system. And no doubt there are outstanding subpoenas and other investigative leads that are already out. In other words, this train has left the station, big time.
  6. They key, however, is that there needs to be a prosecutor at DOJ who is willing to facilitate and approve many parts of the investigation. Right now that's Mueller. In his absence, who is it? DAG Rod Rosenstein (because AG Sessions would still be recused).
  7. Under the Special Counsel regulations, Mueller has been reporting to Rosenstein every 90 days about the status of his investigation. He's also had to seek approval for an expansion of his mandate, or for any charges he's brought so far.
10. We can conclude that so far Rosenstein has approved of the progress and requests that have been made -- if he hadn't, he would have had to report this to Congress and explain why. That hasn't happened. He's also explicitly stated that he believes Mueller is doing his job. 11. Rosenstein, therefore, has basically seen everything that Mueller has. And he's on board. Presumably, if he is put "back in charge," he'd continue to move the investigation forward (if he didn't, it would raise the question why he had been approving Mueller until now). 12. If Trump fires, Rosenstein, however, he can appoint someone new to be the DAG. Which means he can preemptively choose someone who is going to stonewall the investigation from moving forward. Even a new DAG overseeing Mueller could do this. 13. So, IMO, that's the bigger threat. Rosenstein, not Mueller, is really the buffer right now between POTUS (and Congress) and a full investigation of all aspects of "the Russia investigation," incl the counterintelligence part, the various criminal threads, and OoJ. /END 14. P.S. And ppl are right that in general, Trump has to fire Rosenstein to fire Mueller. But part of my point is that he could replace DAG, not fire Mueller and still achieve same effect if that DAG is willing to block Mueller's efforts and "spin" the reasons why to Congress.

[Also, I forgot the text to accompany the video in a post above:

Rantt News‏
@RanttNews
“The rumor on the Hill when I left yesterday was that the president was going to make a significant speech at the end of next week. And on Dec. 22nd, when we are out of D.C., he was going to fire Robert Mueller.”—@RepSpeier

A Saturday Night Massacre 2.0. A Constitutional crisis ]

Also also, somewhere to sign up for information for any Americans who would like to be prepared to demonstrate against the firing of Mueller:

act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/18150