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That Britain should rethink BREXIT

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WallisofWindsor · 06/12/2017 12:14

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

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RubMyRhubarb · 06/12/2017 14:05

Hissy

Except I haven't said anything else sarcastic in this thread. You're still making your self look silly. Do carry on.

Agustarella · 06/12/2017 14:05

@ Theworldisfullofidiots - you and your user name are both correct. I think Ken Clarke said something similar: in a few years time, nobody will remember voting for Brexit. If only more of our elected representatives had the courage of their convictions.

CheeriosEverywhere · 06/12/2017 14:06

Only fucking idiots just accept there's a cliff there just because someone says "there's a cliff there" Your insistence that this is so, does not necessarily make it so. Please demonstrate the existence of said cliff

Well you have thrown yourself off it and are hurtling towards the bottom, so the time to explain to you what the cliff is is long since past. We tried and tried but you didn't want to hear it.

abilockhart · 06/12/2017 14:06

No bugger will have voted leave in 20 years time.

Also, one doesn't exactly need to be a dab hand with the search function on mumsnet to find a few of these ' I voted Remain but why can't we all be nice to those Leavers who had made some very good points ' here as well.

CheeriosEverywhere · 06/12/2017 14:09

If they had made any I would be the first to say so. Alas.....

corythatwas · 06/12/2017 14:09

"Regardless of what you think, the vote went the other way. To suggest that 52% of the voting public were ill-informed etc etc is ignorant in the extreme."

Now that David Davies is admitting no impact studies were ever made- how can anyone claim to be well informed about what Brexit will do to the economy? Crystal ball? Tossing a coin? The information was never gathered.

Or are you saying that it doesn't matter what impact Brexit will have on the economy, the important thing is that people stop bothering us about it?

A good many of us are going to have to make decisions, not only about our own lives and families, but also about larger business or research projects which will be totally dependent on a) how the British economy is going to perform b) on what our future relationship with Europe is actually going to look like. We need to know.

Many of us were suspicious when told that impact reports had been made and the future looked rosy, because we were aware of a number of potential pitfalls and issues that would need addressing. Now we are told that the impact reports claim was actually a lie. Does this really not make any difference? Really?

ByThePowerOfRa · 06/12/2017 14:10

It was never a good idea to put an issue as complex as this out for a referendum and just requiring a simple majority to proceed with it was madness.

This^^.

I predict that DC will go down in history as the arrogant fool who messed up the country. Maybe I’ll be proved wrong though, it will be a huge success and that would be lovely!

FizzyGreenWater · 06/12/2017 14:11

I have said this before: I don't think it will happen.

I don't think it's possible to make it work.

I think that the government know this but are of course utterly stuck. In order to get out of this without saying 'we are going to change our minds', we simply have to go through this long, long, painful process of 'things' unravelling - or being seen to unravel - in such a way as for no-one to actually be to blame (or, for every faction to be able to apportion blame elsewhere). For terms to change and red lines to evaporate until no-one knows what exactly Brexit is supposed to look like anyway. Because it's just not workable.

It's going to take ages, we are a very small frog and the Brexit saucepan of water takes a loooong time to boil.

Humpsfor20yards · 06/12/2017 14:14

I have found it in my heart to forgive people who "mistakenly" voted leave.

It's the people who still now, are ardent brexiteers, its them I have a problem with.

Hissy · 06/12/2017 14:14

Ok surferjet so you don't care at all about the economic impact on the country (two generations to recover based on some projections), the potential of a return to violence in NI, the possibility of Scotland dissolving the union.

Agree.

My DS has only just started secondary school. The fact that he will be PAST his peak earning stage by the time we recover from this mess upsets and angers me greatly.

I do understand why disadvantaged and disaffected members of society may have voted for Change at any cost, I get this, but it doesn't change the fact that these people genuinely didn't have the information to hand to make an informed decision, and worse, it's looking increasingly likely that the information they were being force-fed is was manufactured to throw this country to the dogs.

The fall out of that decision will make their situation FAR worse, and the country weaker as a result.

Oakmaiden · 06/12/2017 14:15

If it comes to it, I hope it is a huge success. I hope all the experts leftie doomsayers are wrong, and we will head into an era of hirthto unknown prosperity.

I would hate to think we are wrecking the economic future of this country, the futures of my children and their children, just so that "Johnny Forriner" won't try to tell us what to do any more.

sinceyouask · 06/12/2017 14:15

To suggest that 52% of the voting public were ill-informed etc etc is ignorant in the extreme.

Ignorant: I do not think it means what you think it means.

Hissy · 06/12/2017 14:16

Well you have thrown yourself off it and are hurtling towards the bottom, so the time to explain to you what the cliff is is long since past. We tried and tried but you didn't want to hear it.

^This.

lljkk · 06/12/2017 14:16

We seem to be stuck in a club that we can neither change nor leave

We can change it, if we choose to stay. Staying is like being in a family, though, you have to compromise with the others in the family & don't get exactly what you want. Even on WTO terms... it's like being in a family where you don't get the luxury of only dealing with people you like. This is a rather grown-up mature way of viewing the world. Not "the easiest" task.

We can leave, but have to accept that leaving is a crap compared to being a member. We can leave EU and stay in SM/CU, for instance. There was no reason except her own panic why May took this option off the table before triggering A50.

A crap deal is what "The people" voted for. Apparently.

I want to understand May... why did she grasp this poison chalice? Did she really think she'd succeed? Does she have a martyr complex about saving her party? Why not take the chance to abandon ship after the election. Why the H not leave the problem to the Brexiters to be in charge of the ship when it steers onto the rocks. Was she actually even more horrified by Gove et al in power, than us voters?

Oakmaiden · 06/12/2017 14:22

Was she actually even more horrified by Gove et al in power, than us voters?

That is actually a really sobering suggestion....

CheeriosEverywhere · 06/12/2017 14:24

Regardless of what you think, the vote went the other way. To suggest that 52% of the voting public were ill-informed etc etc is ignorant in the extreme

It is not ignorant it is plain fact. Even just on this thread people have said "I don't recall anyone mentioning that NI would be a problem".
How is that not ill informed?

CheeriosEverywhere · 06/12/2017 14:27

If it comes to it, I hope it is a huge success. I hope all the experts leftie doomsayers are wrong, and we will head into an era of hirthto unknown prosperity

Exactly this! Those of us banging on about how awful it all is would LOVE to be proved wrong. I would be delighted to say "you know what, I was completely wrong, the NI thing is going great and the UK is stable and secure and prospering".

I would throw a party and give out free champagne to the Leave voters.

But somehow, sadly, I don't think I should stockpile french champagne and italian truffles for that party.

ByThePowerOfRa · 06/12/2017 14:28

Regardless of what you think, the vote went the other way. To suggest that 52% of the voting public were ill-informed etc etc is ignorant in the extreme

It is not ignorant it is plain fact. Even just on this thread people have said "I don't recall anyone mentioning that NI would be a problem".
How is that not ill informed?

I’m sure I read something like; one of the most googled phrases on the day AFTER the referendum results came out was, “what is the EU”?

ByThePowerOfRa · 06/12/2017 14:29

I would throw a party and give out free champagne to the Leave voters.

Same here! It would be awesome if I was proved wrong.

A4Document · 06/12/2017 14:33

"ill-informed and gullible"

That has been repeated ad nauseam and has never been a true or fair assessment of the 17 million.

PrincessoftheSea · 06/12/2017 14:34

So far the remainers seem to have been better informed because what they said would happen is happening. Unfortunately.

Humpsfor20yards · 06/12/2017 14:35

To suggest that 52% of the voting public were ill-informed etc etc is ignorant in the extreme

Well, it is a tricky one. The overwhelming majority of academics, economists, business people, scientists, over 500 (centrist) MP's and civil-servants said that voting leave would be a huge mistake for the country.

A handful of privileged, elite, right-wing, often racist, millionaires -
Farage, Davis, Johnson and Rees-Mogg, backed by Russia, and the Daily Mail believed leave would be a good idea.

It's hard to say the 52% weren't ill-informed - unless of course they wanted a cohort of right-wing elites to destroy the NHS and lead us into unfettered capitalism - in which case they probably made an excellent decision.

SylviaTietjens · 06/12/2017 14:38

Well, personally I think it’s going splendidly. Those Eurobastards will be coming begging to us soon. Also we’ve solved the unemployment crisis as we can now all go and live in a camper van in Kent and pick fruit for 14 hours a day. Hurrah!

wasonthelist · 06/12/2017 14:44

A handful of privileged, elite, right-wing, often racist, millionaires -
Farage, Davis, Johnson and Rees-Mogg, backed by Russia, and the Daily Mail believed leave would be a good idea.

Dennis Skinner, Gisela Stuart, Ian Davidson, Frank Field, Lord Owen, Graham Stringer, Kate Hoey, John Mann.

makeourfuture · 06/12/2017 14:49

The overwhelming majority of academics, economists, business people, scientists, over 500 (centrist) MP's and civil-servants said that voting leave would be a huge mistake for the country.

yes.

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