That Britain should rethink BREXIT

[WallisofWindsor]

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

YABU for taking seriously anything said by David Davis. Watch what he does, not what he says.

That said, I'm continually alarmed by the lack of any serious effort to limit the damage. Even the narrative of the "eleventh hour deal scuppered by the DUP" feels like a charade; if Foster had the power to veto a deal, why not run the details past her earlier? This whole Brexit debacle smells like a coup by the far right and its disaster capitalist backers. Mere incompetence might have resulted in the government doing at least something right, if only by accident. As it stands they have rushed to seize the worst possible outcome at every stage: triggering A50 yet delaying the negotiations, sending the low-information part-timer Davis to filibuster those negotiations, and boxing themselves in with impossible red lines which pretty much guarantee a catastrophic outcome.

There's nothing we can do but try to leave Britain while we legally can, and pray we don't get sent back. The powers that be have apparently decided that a chaotic hard Brexit must be delivered in just over a year's time, whether it remains 'the will of the people' or not. At this stage, we can't say we haven't been warned.

Thing is, I am not sure there are many people who voted leave who will admit it was a bad idea. Even though on voting day the things they said would happen are now clearly not going to happen. Even though it is clear Brexit is going to look NOTHING like the fiction we were sold.

It takes a peculiar kind of stubbornness to drive off a cliff edge whilst insisting "it will all be fine - it'll be a bit rocky to start with, but it is all going to work out great. We said we would go this way, so this is the way we are going.".

However, the argument that the majority was tiny irritates me. It was a majority. Had the majority been in favour of remaining with the same figures then you wouldn't hear the remainers crying that it was such a tiny majority! It would still have been a majority to them. It's hypocritical to argue differently

Its not the same thing. In one direction nothing would change, nobody would have been effected. In the other, the entire countries lives were directly affected, legal rights were lost, boundaries changed, the economy permanently altered and the position of the country massively altered.

you should have a proper majority for overwhelming change, in a way that you do not need for no change at all.

@juddyrockingcloggs

It is common for votes on special resolutions to require more than a bare majority - for exactly this reason.

However the terms were set and Leave won according to the terms that were set so I don’t see how we can just ignore it. However when it’s 52-48, a hard Brexit is unconscionable. Almost half of the country wanted to remain and that is not reflected at all in a hard Brexit.

Likewise, if remain had narrowly won, there would need to be regard for the fact lots of people wanted to leave and it would have been wrong to immediately start handing over more powers and ignoring that significant body of feeling.

Ahhh, Clandestino, you meant the DUP... it read as if you were referring generally to the brexit voters. My mistake.

Flumpernickel, no. I seriously believe that many Brexit voters were misled. I also believe the desperation of people in the areas which have seen a decline and unemployment. And I also believe that if you tell those people that it's not the fault of the Brits that they are unemployed, their social welfare is reduced and that the NHS is in pieces but the fault of the fucking Poles and Romanians coming over and stealing their jobs because they work for less and then breed and get the whole health care and whatever for free, they will vote for whoever tells them they have a quick solution for their problem.
The thing is, I don't believe that this will get sorted out by the EU workers going elsewhere. The NHS have been left severely malnourished intentionally by people who would like to see it privatised and have the healthcare based on the US (or Irish) example. I also believe that in order to provide employment in the poor areas there should be a better plan than the very simplistic "fuck off Eastern Europeans". Because it's not about removing blue lego cubes and putting in blue and red ones. Doesn't work that way. But it was a simple idea and those ideas are always welcome and appreciated in any election campaign.

I am not sure there are many people who voted leave who will admit it was a bad idea

I think you're probably right. However, it's likely because they DON'T think it's a bad idea, they think it's a good idea. That's no different to me saying "Why can't these remainers just admit they should have voted leave, what's wrong with them?! Stubborn gits they are!" - it's because they don't want to leave so why would they "admit" it?

You don't revisit stuff in your professional or personal life when new info comes to light?

Nope, never. Ever.

Like FUCK you don't. Utter bollocks

The best argument really is that the terms of the referendum weren't at all clear.

Do you want to leave the EU? But on what terms? Hard or soft? What kind of relationship do we want to have with the EU afterwards? What does it mean if Scotland or NI vote differently to England.

No one really knew what they were voting for and herein lies the problem.

You see, I laughed when people after Brexit were going, oh fuck, what's going to happen to Scotland?
All I thought was, oh fuck, Northern Ireland. Because that's the real issue here.

Brexit was never going to be easy - who ever said it would be?
We are leaving the EU whether remainers like it or not. It’s going to be difficult at times but only spineless cowards give up at the first hurdle. You’d all go grovelling to Brussels like pathetic whimps.
Fuck that - we’re leaving and that’s it.
YABU.

Hissy

Perhaps, if you can't manage the entire post, you could read the very next line before jumping the gun and making your self look rather silly? Ever heard of sarcasm?

Ok surferjet so you don't care at all about the economic impact on the country (two generations to recover based on some projections), the potential of a return to violence in NI, the possibility of Scotland dissolving the union.

You don't give a fuck about any of those things, because 'we're leaving'.

Great

You don't know that for sure surfer.

This is such a comical fuck up that I actually think they'll pull out of Brexit because it just is so disorganised.

only spineless cowards give up at the first hurdle

Go on - put your foot on the accelerator - it'll be fine once we reach the bottom!

It is the "we won and we're getting our own way - no matter what the cost~" rhetoric that really worries me.

I don't care if a 52% majority won. I don't care if a 75% majority won. I think you have to look at the road ahead and say "now we can actually see the situation clearly, do we still think this is a good idea?" Because I have yet to see any evidence (other than empty platitudes) which foretell anything other than an enormous clusterfuck.

Only fucking idiots don't reconsider when it becomes clear they're headed straight for the edge of the cliff.

Forgive me- but may I ask how much or what Britain was losing while still a member of the EU? Was it so bad?

I would turn back at any first metaphorical hurdle, if at the end of the hurdles there was a fucking great chasm. What on earth is the point of smashing down hurdles for no purpose?

Only fucking idiots don't reconsider when it becomes clear they're headed straight for the edge of the cliff

Only fucking idiots just accept there's a cliff there just because someone says "there's a cliff there"
Your insistence that this is so, does not necessarily make it so. Please demonstrate the existence of said cliff.

So basically what you’re saying is we’re completely fucked if we leave the EU? There’s no way we can make a success of this?
Ok, so we ask if we can stay - because it’s all too complicated for our thick UK heads & we just can’t cope. 😭😭😭😭
EU - ok. We’ll let you back in losers.
That’s 100billion a week please.....we know you’ll pay because you’re nothing without us.

Yeah.....good move.

We're never going to rethink it, sadly, because the 52% are hanging on for dear life and won't ever, ever concede they made a stupid, pointless, Pyrrhic, mistake, lest anyone think they are stupid.

And we have a pathetic craven government who will get the worst possible deal, and an opposition who won't oppose it.

We're so fucked.

So basically what you’re saying is we’re completely fucked if we leave the EU? There’s no way we can make a success of this?

Why are these threads constantly not posted in the DEDICATED referendum thread then? So I can blissfully ignore?

Do you find it tricky to ignore very obvious titles? I find hiding any threads I might not want to see helps.

I don't like posts about Meghan and Harry, or the ones about Trump. So I tend to scroll past or hide.

forgot to add comment to ^ - yep, that's what is now understood by anyone who knows anything about it, I think.

Only fucking idiots just accept there's a cliff there just because someone says "there's a cliff there"

You're absolutely right. You know what I'd do if someone said there's a cliff there? Risk assessment. I asses the situation and the pros and cons of carrying on with my journey given the possibility of a cliff.

Like an impact assessment of sorts...

I don't care if a 52% majority won. I don't care if a 75% majority won. I think you have to look at the road ahead and say "now we can actually see the situation clearly, do we still think this is a good idea?"

Absolutely this.