AIBU that not much is talked about NDE and it's all hush hush but probably many more people believe it than want to admit to?

[Ruabelieber]

Probably for fear of being thought of as nuts!
Got this article via a friend and the more I hear / read the more I believe it..
But if I was to admit this in RL people would think I am bonkers?

www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/04/dying-near-death-experiences/

tinysparklyshoes maybe but there was no other visual disturbance and it ended exactly as they were bringing the baby back to me which could also be a coincidence. Have you ever turned because you could sense someone watching you and sure enough someone was there? It was that sort of feeling. When I told my husband he was quite huffy because his father was also deceased and he said it could be him but I felt it was him. It was a strange but totally unscary feeling, other than I thought if I told someone they would think I had MH problems.

I mean I felt it was my father not husbands.

The mind is a powerful thing, but that is what it was. Your mind and possibly an actual medical symptom contributing to it. You admit yourself that you simply decided it was your father.
But think logically about it...if you believe it was him somehow, where did he come from? Where is he now? Why can't you see him? Why can't everyone see dead relatives? Where was he when other dramatic things have happened?
What are the chances of you seeing a ghost the one time you were not only emotionally disturbed but also extremely tired AND post general anaesthesia?
Just apply a little logic.

Infrasound has been linked to "feeling uneasy, like you're being watched/followed". Works particularly in long basement corridors. It can be caused by traffic rumblings and other low, rumbling sound emitting things. It's too low a frequency to hear, but your body can feel it.

No I didn't just decide it was my father I felt it was him.

I have no idea about where he is. I haven't actually had any other really dramatic things happen, nothing close to that experience.

What are the chances of me seeing him when my child's life was at risk? Well maybe that was the time he felt I needed him there?

I suppose that is the difference, you are sure you know and I don't know.

I imagine that it was the effect of the GA which hadn't quite worn off, granny, and perhaps an unconscous sense that something was wrong with the baby (interesting in itself) but I'm glad that it was some comfort to you.

I had a GA a couple of years ago and as I came round, my impression was that I almost didn't, that my heart stopped beating briefly and the surgical team were all set to shock me when I opened my eyes. There was a sense that I could go on sleeping if I chose to (which was tempting, as it felt like the best sleep I'd ever had) or I could come back, and I "decided" in the end to come back.

None of this actually happened though, they reassured me, and people can have quite vivid dreams when coming round from anaesthetic.

ConfusedLivingDoll, well I was in a small side room so now sure about the sound but the main thing is I didn't feel uneasy, quite the opposite in fact. I am very sensitive to sound though.

Why is there any "need" to study cold reading? It's a party trick, along with other sorts of woo.
And as for poltergeists... may as well study the tooth fairy.

Perhaps you unconsciously/consciously needed his presence there to make you feel safer then, so your mind made it happen. It can be very comforting, even if not actually "woo", so it served a good purpose for you.

berliozwooler, my funniest thing (well if you have a dark sense of humour) after a GA was almost rolling off the table. I always sleep on my side and as I came round rolled into my normal sleeping position. I heard someone scream and was caught as I rolled. They told me afterwards that they couldn't believe I was waking up. I have since "warned" doctors of this when two of my children were having surgery and sure enough they woke up quickly and on one occasion someone came out of the theatre and thanked me for warning them.

One of them had an op as an adult so mum wasn't there but he gave the surgeon a nasty turn when they came to check on him and he asked her some questions about what she had said while he was lying quietly on the table seemingly still out of it. I don't know if she thought she had operated on someone who was conscious or if he had some weird experience but he reassured her that he had just come round but was lying quietly.

ConfusedLivingDoll it was comforting in one way but worrying in another as I felt uncomfortable mentioning it. I'm not sure if it is significant but he died when I was a child so we never had a relationship as two adults.

Well, studying cold reading is very useful to teach us about the brain/mental processes and to educate people.

"Poltergeists" need to be studied, as it is an observed phenomenon and scares many people whom it happens to. So far much of it has been explained in terms of known science, of course, so people can feel more at ease in their own homes. Some things, however, still elude complete explanation, so the research continues. The aim of such research is not to prove such phenomena are "woo" or to debunk them, it's simply to study the phenomenon and see what can be done with the data in scientific analysis.

It'd be completely false for anyone to suggest that we currently know everything about the world we live or our mental processes, so we keep studying, experimenting, questioning with the best scientific methods we have.

I think there could have been an unconscious longing to connect with your father that could have influenced the situation. There might have been some suggestion along the way too, to spark that up in your mind.

People often see or sense their dead family members around familiar places. Partly this is due to an unconscious wish/longing, partly due to suggestion from the surroundings or situation and much used neural pathways sparking, as they are used to doing. There is another relayed issue which is attribution of phenomena due to wishes, culture and knowledge. Thus, some people will attribute a light in the sky with e.g. aliens others with angels and yet others with satellites/planes/etc. It's fascinating. And there's the whole factor of group phenomena when a group of people unconsciously influence eachother to "see" the same thing.

I agree with you about our lack of full knowledge about the brain and its processes, but cold reading is already well known, and used by countless "mediums" illusionists and entertainers. There are various techniques that can be learnt. Same as juggling.That's all there is to it.

But studying poltergeists - that's already starting with an assumption of the possibility of "ghosts" surely? I think most people's poltergeist problems cease when they close the window or get rid of the cat.

As my pal Justin Bieber once ruminated: is it too late now to say sorry?

I suppose if Rua has booked it out of this thread, it probably is.

Disorders like schizophrenia show that people's brains can simulate very vivid experiences that are indistinguishable from reality. On a more mundane level who hasn't 'remembered' something only to discover that it didn't happen at all, but was perhaps something we dreamed or were told. The act of remembering lays down new pathways in the brain, overwriting the experience itself. Even imagining an experience results in neural recordings. Brains are complex incredible things that we are only just starting to understand.

I think there could have been an unconscious longing to connect with your father that could have influenced the situation. There might have been some suggestion along the way too, to spark that up in your mind. I'm not sure, he had been dead for nearly 30 years but we were close. It is one of those things isn't it, we'll never really know exactly what happened.

On a more mundane level who hasn't 'remembered' something only to discover that it didn't happen at all, but was perhaps something we dreamed or were told Funnily enough I was talking to a relative about this recently. Something traumatic that happened to me as a child and I "think" I remember it vividly but was only 2. I told my relative what I remembered and she said it was very accurate but of course I still don't know how much detail I was told when I was very young. It is strange but must happen all the time.

I assume it was parapsch that discovered the thing about people being made to feel uneasy by EMF, that they had previously attributed to woo?

So that sort of thing would be useful and nonwoo?

What was "discovered" exactly and how many scientists have verified it?

Not sure I'd assume that parapsies were responsible for the "discovery" of EMF. Maybe it was.

The problem with parapsychology for me is that it uses apocrypha, subjective evidence and anecdotal data as the basis for its studies. This is not exactly scientific.

*Maybe it was them.

tiny I'm telling you what he told us. I don't think anything about it. That's what he said.

A few weeks before my dad died he had a very vivid dream where he was looking down on himself on the bed with nurses and doctors gathered around. It was so vivid he was a bit confused as to whether it had happened or was a dream. As the body shuts down, these sort of dreams / hallucinations can be quite common. I know that most 'near death experiences' are a bit different in that they are normally after very sudden things like a heart attack rather than a long slow dying process, but maybe the mechanism in the brain is something similar and the person experiences something very vivid but it is in fact a sort of dream. Just because your heart has stopped briefly doesn't mean your brain has stopped.

My understanding is that there is part of the brain that is solely dedicated to dying and that far from being grim, after a certain stage, dying is itself a physically ecstatic experience, like orgasm. However, the fact that resuscitated Catholics are more likely to report having seen the Virgin Mary than, say, Buddhists, does suggest that cultural expectations come into play, even as our brain, a very physical organ, is shutting down.