AIBU that not much is talked about NDE and it's all hush hush but probably many more people believe it than want to admit to?

[Ruabelieber]

Probably for fear of being thought of as nuts!
Got this article via a friend and the more I hear / read the more I believe it..
But if I was to admit this in RL people would think I am bonkers?

www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/04/dying-near-death-experiences/

There are studies done on this. I have a few books I collected during my psych degree and course at the Koestler parapsychology unit at uni. It's interesting, but nothing conclusive and quite dependent on culture. A fairly common feature is a bright light or tunnel with light. This is thought to be due to normal optical nerve activity.

So if someone disagrees with you, they shouldn't be on the thread, Rua?

It’s quite a nice idea to ponder, and no doubt it’s a comfort to some. But in the absence of alternative evidence, science wins.

Well

• I never said anything about my own beliefs, only that I think we should keep an open mind and discussed some of my views of knowledge... and that you assume knowing my beliefs AND decided they are illogical.
• You have a very patronising tone... not even the best scientists in this world know it all. You could've just had an interesting discussion with people with different views. Helps to grow.

A person with an open mind would've been less rigid. IMO of course (see what I did there?)

When my Gran was dying she had hallucinations about her dead husband and that he was coming to get her. It made her happy to die. I’m happy she went peacefully and almost willingly but I don’t think it was ‘real’. I dream some crazy stuff. It’s just your brain going off on one.

You could've just had an interesting discussion with people with different views. Helps to grow

Not with the OP! She has some bizarre ideas and is unwilling to accept easily available well known facts as any kind of barrier to them.
There is no point having a discussion with people like that.

I am always shocked on why people who don' t have an interest in paranormal or afterlife are so invested in proving the contrary

It’s shocking that people have valid opposing views to you? Of course people will try and ‘prove to the contrary’, if you post on a discussion forum filled with people from many a background. Especially such a contentious matter, where you have one side who are looking for any validation of their beliefs as they can’t bare the idea of life just ‘stopping’, and the other who have a more logical mindset who try and look at things with ‘x, y and z’ reasoning. The fallout comes when side A insist on putting all of their arguments on ‘belief’, which you’re entitled to do but comes with little to no validation.

I havent read the whole thread so apologies if someone has already mentioned it, but there was a long term study in a hospital that produced no convincing evidence of NDE.
Basically, they left a £20 and a message on top of a cupboard and no one saw it as they floated above their body.

I am always shocked on why people who don' t have an interest in paranormal or afterlife are so invested in proving the contrary

I'm invested in "proving" the contrary because it's my literal job. Well, my actual job isn't to "prove" the non-existence of an after-life but I get paid to mess about with DNA and cells and brain cells and things.

In doing so, I've seen zero evidence of anything woo. Humans are nothing more than massive sacks of DNA controlled by electrical signals.

There's nothing after death and the longer I work in my field, the more I am completely convinced of that.

Expat - on the contrary. I love a good repartee.
But I don't like intimidating people that think they are superior and won't entertain the idea that people might believe in something they don't. They don't have to change the way they think ... but they don't need to attack whoever is trying to post something different from what they think.
It's not inductive of a good thread ...

I hate threads descending in people offending each other and I would like to stop all of this as I can see the direction tiny is taking

I’d like an afterlife to be true because I am scared of dying but I just think NDEs are close enough to dreams to be explained that way.

I'm interested in phenomena which science doesn't have an explanation for (yet)

But we do have explanations for NDE, so how is that relevant?

I hate threads descending in people offending each other and I would like to stop all of this as I can see the direction tiny is taking

You took it in that direction. You said something completely untrue, I nicely pointed it out and you were very rude about it. You didn't mind offending me and you still haven't admitted you were wrong.

OP, I personally doubt that there is anything after we die but hey, it would be great to be proven wrong. As far as I am concerned, if it makes you happy to have some sort of faith in it and it gives you a sense of peace then I think that is great. I neither feel the need nor would want to prove you wrong because I would rather that I am wrong and that there is something. The important thing is not to waste one's life with the expectation that there will be something else afterwards. It would just be a bonus.

Id just like to know how people can say there have seen dead people or even their old dog but no ones ever seen ghost insects or dinosaurs or do they not go to an afterlife?

BeyondAssignation I thought I'd better put that in before any pedants accused me of lying! (Or of posting from beyond the veil from some posters...)
But I can see the thread took a different track anyway.

APMom- hope your DH is recovering well now

A person with an open mind would've been less rigid.

It’s funny, to me the only people who ever say ‘keep an open mind’ are usually the ones who are trying to validate their own beliefs but have no way of ever proving them. It’s always the last argument of religious people as well, when you point out that their books from thousands of years ago are full of contradictions and make no sense.

There’s only so open your mind can be before you have to start looking for proof in what you believe, or more to the point, disproving what is currently considered logical and/or factual.

Or should I say the direction that Tiny and friends are taking!

The title of my thread was right then.... it looks like some people that hide themselves behind statements like:
I have degrees, I study this, I have PHDs come and state their opinion like if they were representing the scientific world or the people that are worth listening to and everybody else has to shut down. Well... I don't even know if what you say about your titles is true (tiny and friends) - I don't have in fact proof so how can I believe you are who you are?

Rigid about what exactly? I've been talking about the fact (not belief) that Columbus did not think the world was flat, and neither did anyone else involved at the time.
How am I supposed to be less rigid about that?

As a pretty much life long atheist, it would be ridiculous of me to believe in life after death and I don't. The brain is an amazing organ and I believe any NDE is created by it as it dies.

I would also like to ask what another PP has already ask - if you believe in life after death, is it only experienced by human beings, or can animals experience it too?

• it looks like some people that hide themselves behind statements like: I have degrees, I study this, I have PHDs come and state their opinion like if they were representing the scientific world or the people that are worth listening to and everybody else has to shut down. Well... I don't even know if what you say about your titles is true (tiny and friends) - I don't have in fact proof grin so how can I believe you are who you are?*

Um, no-one has mentioned a title or education of any kind. You're getting more and more confused, and confusing.

I nicely pointed it out

If launching into a thread with it's a load of bollocks is your nice way of putting things, I'd hate to see your example of rude and blunt.

Of course the problem with the afterlife is that your dead relatives can see what you’re up to so your gran knows you’ve done bum sex. That gonna make for an interesting convo at the pearly gates.

I get you Wizard, I agree.