AIBU that not much is talked about NDE and it's all hush hush but probably many more people believe it than want to admit to?

[Ruabelieber]

Probably for fear of being thought of as nuts!
Got this article via a friend and the more I hear / read the more I believe it..
But if I was to admit this in RL people would think I am bonkers?

www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/04/dying-near-death-experiences/

Edmund
Thank you for adding "to me" at the beginning... so it's your opinion. Although I don't completely agree. Some people who say "keep an open mind" have just lived long enough to see that facts can change, science can change its mind, new evidence can be discovered etc. Isn't that another possibility?

its a nice thing to think about isnt it - that there is an afterlife, that there is something to see, loved ones to meet with and a happy ever after for all eternity.

IMO - thats all it is, its just a nice after-thought, something nicer than just the end of ones existance. Who doesnt want to believe there is a heaven to go to. Humans will always hope, and there is nothing wrong with hope, but i fear its futile, beause death is eactly that it means - the end of your life. Done. Finished. The world moves on without you and you live in the memories of the living. In my heart, I HOPE theres something after death, but my head tells me there isnt.

Johnny

your dead relatives can see what you’re up to so your gran knows you’ve done bum sex

Best thing on MN today

User - I totally agree with you... I am more inclined to think like you.
I don't believe totally that something is there ibut I would like to believe as otherwise it's all very grim and sad!

berliozwooler Tiny was actually pointing out the part about history, which the OP got completely wrong and then refused to admit it. If they cannot even admit they were wrong about something they categorically were wrong about, how can you have a sensible discussion with them about anything else?

tiny what did my dad see then? He was hit by a car on a zebra crossing, he was knocked out, he says he had to hold on to the handle of the ambulance door to prevent being left behind as his body was rushed to hospital.

Some people who say "keep an open mind" have just lived long enough to see that facts can change, science can change its mind, new evidence can be discovered etc.

All scientists keep an open mind, that is literally what science is: looking for new answers, new questions, new phenomena. What it doesn't mean is every idea anyone has is equal and all beliefs are worthy of discussion no matter how illogical and silly.

What it doesn't mean is every idea anyone has is equal and all beliefs are worthy of discussion no matter how illogical and silly

That is not up to you to decide. You can only decide that within the confines of your own research/work.

Anyway, this is getting boring.

it's all very grim and sad

This is a really interesting interpretation, OP. I actually find it really quite liberating to think there's nothing after death, that we're here for a short time then we're gone, we don't matter any more and eventually we'll be so entirely forgotten that it'll be like we never existed.

It makes me very determined to live for today, to make myself happy, to not waste time or energy on pointless shit, to travel, to see things, to do things. Plus, when things fuck up or get on top of me I'm better able to put them into perspective because absolutely nothing about me or my life matters. I know I'm weird but I find that incredibly freeing.

tiny what did my dad see then? He was hit by a car on a zebra crossing, he was knocked out, he says he had to hold on to the handle of the ambulance door to prevent being left behind as his body was rushed to hospital

I don't understand your question. He was unconcious, so obviously he was unable to hold on to anything. And you seem to think that "him" and "his body" are two separate entities, the non corporeal one being able to somehow touch corporeal objects? Sorry but the premise doesn't begin to make sense.

He was unconcious and it was all in his mind makes perfect sense though.

That is not up to you to decide. You can only decide that within the confines of your own research/work

Of course it is up to me what I find illogical ir silly or worthy of my discussion. Who do you think should decide if not me? Somone else?

That is not up to you to decide. You can only decide that within the confines of your own research/work

No, funding councils, governments and industrial companies decide what's valuable and worth having discussion about. None of them are clamouring to fund research in NDE and after-life.

Isn't that another possibility?

Of course there may be, but we can all get lost in the endless ‘possibilities’ of life (and death). To ponder them is fine, but if you want these ideals taken seriously, go out there and try to prove them. Otherwise I’ll personally always listen more favourably to those who can back up current facts, than those who say ‘oh but you didn’t see/hear what I did, I know it’s true in my heart’. The latter means nothing to me, it’s not a lack of open mind that dismisses their experience, it’s the fact it can some or all of it can usually be explained in a scientific way.

In the hundreds of years humanity has been setting out to ‘prove things’, the changes in technology and society - how many times has it transpired that it was something paranormal, magical, done by a deity, etc?

Just in case I end up missing it as this thing is running away and I won't have the energy to sift through pages and pages later:

Rua, are you going to apologise to tiny for saying they were rewriting history?

On a tangentially related matter:

tiny are you going to be debating with Flat-Earthers at any point? I'd enjoy watching that discussion.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

I didn't want to be dragged into this as you tiny seems to have a one sided view of things in general ... however... see link... there was a time when piplulations thought the earth was flat. Some "new" theories surfaced that it must be round and then when it was confirmed they knew.

But there was a period in between when somebody was called a visionary or crazy.

I stand by this .... that goes to show that sometimes there is no right or wrong but something in between which I have always maintained.

We cannot prove or disprove it. All I know is the mind is a powerful tool. I don’t have a NDE. However, I did once make myself go temporarily blind for several minutes. I had tonsillitis, which used to make me very ill and was going back to my halls of residence on the bus. A guy on it had big scars on his face/neck. I have a facial scar and the thought of the pain and suffering he must have gone through (whilst remembering mine) made me feel really nauseous. I managed to get off the bus and my vision literally went black. I knew a fellow student got off at the same stop and asked him to guide me back. It was bizarre.

I know this is a bit off topic. I’m just wanting to say we simply don’t know and as pps have said, the mind constantly tries to make sense of what is happening and fill in the blanks. It’s an interesting subject though.

Personally I do think there is a soul and I think we may even have multiple lives - as in someone being an old or young soul. So for me, being able to see what is happening when our body is clinically dead (even temporarily) is because the soul is still there. The tunnel and seeing dead family members is imo more likely to be the brain making associations though.

If you can't have a sensible discussion, why not then leave it?

I didn't notice Tiny's wikipedia link earlier which I repeated later because people might hear you, but don't listen or change their view when you are shouting in their faces.

I came on here because I wanted to read about people's experiences and what they made of it, not because I believe it's the proof of an afterlife.

Rua you’ve drawn the wrong conclusion for flat earth - there was a right and a wrong. The people who were wrong made the best guess they could. They were still wrong. There was no in-between.

You’re kind of moving the goalposts all over today, aren’t you?

Anyway, never mind all that. Have you experienced an NDE? What did you see?

mummyoflittkedragons-
that is quite fascinating. I believe that extreme experiences like yours heightens our senses and we get to feel / see things we don't normally see or feel

Funny how all the open-minded woo-believing free spirit types are always so determined to close down debate with people who disagree isn't it?

Yes OP I'm looking at you

YOu started a thread in AIBU but only wanted people who agree with you to post?

"Humanity has long ago decided that only rational proof is acceptable as knowledge"

What else would you prefer we used? Your say-so?

Please don't leave the thread, Something. I think yours are the most interesting posts!

Mummy

Personally I do think there is a soul and I think we may even have multiple lives - as in someone being an old or young soul. So for me, being able to see what is happening when our body is clinically dead (even temporarily) is because the soul is still there.

Where in the body does the soul live?

Don't believe it at all.

Imagine we thought all our dreams were actual real manifestations of a 'nighttime world'. Do you believe that?

It's not a hard stretch to think that our minds go into a dream like state while passing away and what exactly do you think our brains are likely to condjure up at that point.....loved ones and images of the place that we've been told we're going! Doesn't mean it's anything more than a dream.

Rua

there is no right or wrong but something in between which I have always maintained.

What drivel is this? There is always right and wrong, it's just that sometimes people don't know the right answer yet.

Why do you believe the things you believe? If it's not because of evidence then it's just wishful thinking and is something most people leave behind in their childhood.

I believe that extreme experiences like yours heightens our senses and we get to feel / see things we don't normally see or feel

No, this idea that we don't use certain parts of our brain most of the timely is largely bullshit.

Much of these weird bodily experiences (like PP's temporary blindness) can be attributed to trauma. The brain is trying to deal with the massive amount of signals going off and that can sometimes manifest in strange corporeal responses.

As a mundane example, that's why we often shake uncontrollably when we experience a sudden shock.