AIBU that not much is talked about NDE and it's all hush hush but probably many more people believe it than want to admit to?

[Ruabelieber]

Probably for fear of being thought of as nuts!
Got this article via a friend and the more I hear / read the more I believe it..
But if I was to admit this in RL people would think I am bonkers?

www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/04/dying-near-death-experiences/

The problem is that science seems to "know" and everything else is "belief". Humanity has long ago decided that only rational proof is acceptable as knowledge

That's not a problem, that's how it should be!

Well Colombus was called crazy because he thought the world was round

No he wasn't. Everyone knew the world was round a thousand years and more before Columbus. What are you talking about?

^ And btw there have been cases of people being wrongly convicted of crimes due to people misunderstanding statistics like that.

Haha good on you tiny for rewriting history/ geography!

Sorry my last post was an addendum to my first, not a response to any pps on here.

not sure what your AIBU is

I had, in a medical sense, an NDE and didn't have any visions or anything.

but a friend had one due to a diving accident and he said that he thinks he spent the whole time, in his mind, shouting that he wasn't ready to go. I don't know, I wasn't thinking anything in mine!

I don't think it's a load of old bollocks per se. I believe people do experience these things but make more of them than what they are which is a kind of vivid dream, where other information is then retrofitted to make it seem more woo.

I'm not rewriting it, fgs!

Read a book. Hell try wikipedia, here you go if you can't manage a book.

The ancient greeks knew the world was a sphere, they even calculated the circumference. Columbus knew for a fact the earth was not flat. The disputed point was not the shape of the Earth, nor the idea that going west would eventually lead to Japan and China, but the ability of European ships to sail that far across open seas.

I think they are interesting though. As is that people see ghosts. I'm not woo at all but still find people's experiences fascinating.

2 people on this small thread having had NDE and experienced NOTHING

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

They did not think the world was flat in Columbus' time.

His sailors were not frightened of sailing off the edge of the earth.
They were (justifiably) worried about sailing that far across unexplored, open seas: The boats were small by modern sizes and could only hold a limited supply of food and water. Columbus thought it would be OK because they would reach Japan before running out of supplies. Luckily, he came across the Americas just in time to avoid them all starving to death.

There may have been people alive then who believed the world was flat, but there are people alive today who believe that too.

For me I think the majority wins with things like this.

As humans many struggle to believe that when it ends, it ends and that’s it. It’s comforting to think there is something else, we go on and all types of lovely things.

However only 20 percent experience anything, so 80% don’t experience anything, nada.

Of that twenty percent you need to weed out those who are simply misinterpreting that split second of brain wave, those who are making it up but can’t accept it so extrapolate that split second of brain wave into something they believe, and those who are attention seeking and simply making it up and know it.

When you weed them out, there will likely be no one left. If this was true, logic says it would be a lot higher than 20percent who experience it, nearly everyone would. So for me, the mere fact 80percent says there are nothing, then it very likely means there really is nothing.

Sorry op

I feel cheated!! I wanted to see something interesting!! As it is, all I got was -> head injury -> panic -> pass out for days -> wake up and be informed of head injury -> panic -> feel like shit for several days.

If people have seen the Land of Make Believe in between, I have missed out!!

If someone said I don't believe in gravity, they would definitely be considered to be strange/irrational etc.

If they couldn’t explain why they didn’t believe in gravity and had no rational alternative theory for why things fall back down to earth, then yes, I would think they were strange or irrational.

It is talked about a lot. You just aren't looking in the right places. Try joining the Fortean Times forum.
forum.forteantimes.com/index.php

They talk about this stuff all the time.

I don't believe in life after death. You die. Then it's nothing.
I don't believe in fate and karma. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. The fact that many gobshites died a happy death, surrounded by wealth and grieving people and the children's oncology wards are the best proof for that.
No matter what people really believe in, nobody came from real genuine there's absolutely no brain activity death to tell us about what they saw. The fact that the doctors said they were dead doesn't mean they really were, it just wasn't detectable. There's a strong possibility that a shutting down brain will generate activity consistent with hallucinations and give you what you would like to see - or just leave you blank.
We will all find out one day how death feels like. But we will take it with us to our graves.

Y'all need to watch The OA on Netflix

I watched a program about this years ago.
Scientists think that in the case of traumatic incidents (i.e. near drowning) our brain rushes through all of our previous experiences to try to find a solution to save that person. Rather like watching our life on television. These can be misconstrued as nde.

When people argue in favour of things like NDE, Religious miracles, ghosts etc and use the old classic "well you can't prove 100% it didn't/doesn't happen" argument as if that is somehow evidence in ther favour it honestly makes me despair.

I wonder if they apply the same logic to other areas of their lives, for example, do they believe in fairies, elves, goblins, Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc because you "can't prove they don't exist"?

My husband died (cardiac arrest) too but was resuscitated and says there was nothing at all.

Haha good on you tiny for rewriting history/ geography!

The fact that you have fallen for the ‘everyone believed the Earth was flat’ theory says it all to me. That has been shown to be a myth, and a bit of scientific digging into NDEs show that it’s more likely to do with lack of oxygen playing with our minds, than an actual thing. Though unless a truly dead person can ever tell us (which none of them have), I’m not sure if we will 100% ever know. I’ll take logic over someone’s beliefs born out of a desperate need for life to ‘carry on’ after death though.

A theory that interests me... and I can't link to anything or remember where I heard it, sorry, but... is the idea that when we die, the last few moments of brain activity will 'feel' to us like forever. So in a sense we will live our memories forever. Something I bear in mind in life to try and make as many 'good' memories (and do as few things as possible that will feel, in retrospect, shameful or regrettable... but bearing in mind we are humans, we do err, we do take wrong turns etc). I find this idea helps me cope with the fact that I'll one day be extinguished.

Is it the same as when you pass out or are under general anasthetic? I've only ever passed out once and there was nothing. It was literally like I had fainted for two seconds, had a short sleep and that was it. A bit like when you go to sleep for 8 hours, don't dream or remember anything, but feel like it was only for 5 mins.

TO be fair, death doesn't frighten me. Having watched my DB pass away from cancer slowly (but luckily not too painfully), I am certain that the dying part is the worst bit. I expect death will be a relief for most of us when we do finally go from whatever horrid thing afflicts us in old age.

Wow, that was cheery... sorry!

Waiting for an apology, OP. Or are you too busy reading about how wrong you were?

I actually find it fascinating that they knew the world was round and had calculated its circumference to a pretty accurate level over 1800 years ago. A guy called Eratosthenes did it using the angles created by shadows on the summer solstice. Really simple but also incredibly clever.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes