To think the referendum results would have been different if the costs had been known?

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I mean, almost £60bn. Really? Who would actually have supported this? Apparently we have no money, the cupboards are bare, there's no magic money tree... oh, except the money for the DUP, and this.

And who's going to pay the price for this? Not the richest, that's for sure. More economy-crushing cuts coming our way!

Triggering a50, was the dumb thing to do. We could have negotiated before that. May fucked the negotiation up.

If you don't understand this bottomline, you don't understand how Brexit will work.

We are fucked, and the government will blame their incompetence on the EU. And when they can't blame them anymore they'll blame someone else for it. Because that's how this works. And slowly our control will slip into the mess that creates.

But hey, you all get to wave your British flag.

I hope you like turnips.

Bubbles - yep, "Londoners are all rich and screw the lot of them" is certainly what a lot of people I know in a particular part of the north think. SOME (but not most) of them also think London is just full of "foreigns" who don't care about the UK

You're right, they fell for a lot of spin, and yet they are the ones who will be the worst off. It was so ill thought out and rushed IMO.

as there was no interest in flexibility or negotiation before the referendum it is no surprise to me that there's none now.

Again, what do you actually mean by this? We had a rebate, we had the right to a veto, we were involved in and instrumental in law-making, we didn't move to the Euro, we stayed out of Schengen.

However, some fundamental EU beliefs - the right to work and live -
were not over-turned for us. Despite the fact that many of us have benefited from people moving here to work and pay taxes, and us being able to move anywhere we want in Europe.

Bubbles, I applaud most of what you say, particularly, as a Londoner, 'does anyone really imagine London is full of rich people? That people in London don’t have the same concerns and problems as everyone else coupled with massive housing costs? Of course they do.'

However, although it's true that the fact that people didn’t believe what leave would actually mean wasn’t down to Cameron, I don't think it's that fair to say people 'should have understood' what they were voting for.

Or, anyway, I think Cameron could and should have taken the simple step of making the bloody thing advisory.

To answer the OP, yes I do think the result would have been different.

We are paying billions to leave a bloody fantastic arrangement in order to recreate a worse one. Why? So employment/ safety/ human rights can be destroyed. So billionaires can keep even more of their money. So we can keep the dirty foreigners out how dare they prop up our economy! and control our borders.

Utter madness.

I voted leave in the referendum and would vote leave again. I voted leave in the knowledge that it would cause difficulties and we would be worse off in at best the short to medium term. The sad truth of the EU is that we are watching a civilisation dying in slow motion in front of our eyes. We're watching mass population movement taking place on a scale not seen since the fall of the Roman Empire. The EU is both incapable and unwilling to control its own borders preferring to share the burden of the Islamic immigrants nobody wants but cant stop (they could but you know mean tweets and memes of a Nazi Merkel).
Its not about money its about survival.

I feel same as senior citizen on the first page. I am horrified by the embarrassing way the EU has behaved, does Canada have to pay for a trade deal? Once this is paid off we can be shot of them, and never have to pay billions again which is what we do now.

£60bn is just one side of the balance sheet. The other side is the extra money we can 'earn' and save when we can trade with whoever we like and the money we save by not having to implement stupid EU rules

The whole way they have behaved is embarrassing! Imagine if they had been hugely helpful " sure this is a club and if you don't feel its beneficial fine, leave we wont punish you because we want to encourage members to stay by being so wonderful! Not making it hard for them to leave because we are a draconian political dogma ruled by only a few in the inner circle!"

So we can keep the dirty foreigners out how dare they prop up our economy! and control our borders

^^ Oh yes the cheap labour being used to prop up bosses in their warehouses and keeping them in ferraris! The egalitarian EU, shunting cheap labour around, a huge trade in slave labour - literally slaves is flourishing with open borders, criminals have had a field day.

Once this is paid off we can be shot of them, and never have to pay billions again which is what we do now.

Yeah, we're really going to benefit by 'being shot' of a large and economically stable market.

And slowly our control will slip into the mess that creates

You could say our control slipped decades ago when the Union of trading partners our parents voted for - morphed into armies, one currency, political ideology, - political alignment and a million other things

no one had a say in and no one voted for back in the 70's. BREXIT is a wonderful lesson in trying to hoodwink citizens in an underhand way into something more than they agreed too. You would think after communism etc they would know better - the leaders!
Gisella Stuart said she voted Brexit because she saw the Iron Curtain growing up and monolithic political ideology suffocating vast swathes of people first hand...and she saw first hand the way the EU works.

The EU is an Elils foul larder dragging every country in it down into the mud. Can you name a single happy functioning country in the EU ?, I cant.

We're watching mass population movement taking place on a scale not seen since the fall of the Roman Empire

Erm, you are aware of the dislocating upheavals of populations following WW1 and the demise of the Ottoman Empire, and WW2 and the subsequent impact on the British colonies, territories, mandates and dominions? All within 30 years.

The 'fall of the Roman Empire' involved tiny numbers in comparison. The population for Roman Britain, for example, could probably have fit into twenty large sports stadiums. (Or stadia, as we're being pedantic.)

Its no surprise to me how badly its going.
No, actually I correct that. I am a little surprised. I knew TM was weak, but she's even weaker than I thought. I thought the EU and Junker lot would behave badly. But they are even worse than I imagined.
I wasn't stupid enough to not consider the costs. I wasn't stupid enough to believe the NHS bus amounts.

I didn't know which way to vote. Not sure I'd change my vote now. Maybe I would.

I thought the EU and Junker lot would behave badly. But they are even worse than I imagined.

Can you elaborate how exactly they are being behaving badly?

David Cameron has gone on record to say he has no regrets calling the referendum

He also said in 2016 that ISIS and Putin would like Brexit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/isis-brexit-news-eu-referendum-result-praises-response-islamic-state-daesh-political-crisis-crusader-a7109781.html

David Cameron warned last month that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of Isis, would be pleased by a Brexit

Answering questions at the World Economic Forum, he said: “It is worth asking the question: Who would be happy if we left? Putin might be happy, I suspect al-Baghdadi might be happy

**We always knew it would cost this much, but those arguing to leave just said we wouldn't pay it.

This!

I see leavers are intent of replaying the now debunked arguments of June 2016. Haven't you guys won? You sound paranoid blaming the EU for the 3 red lines they have been very clear on since the start (NI, Settlement figure, EU citizens rights).

@Lineysrunner post world war 2 it was mainly minority populations moving to be part to be part of their ethnic homelands (not sure how to phrase that). Ethnic Germans fleeing Poland, Czechoslovakia and the Rhineland or slave labourers returning home. The only country which saw a wholly alien population and culture move there in vast number was Israel and we can all see how well that worked out.

The EU is both incapable and unwilling to control its own borders preferring to share the burden of the Islamic immigrants nobody wants but cant stop (they could but you know mean tweets and memes of a Nazi Merkel

Yes we do want refugees.

Isn't humanity the most valuable bit of being human?

No Merkel isn't a 'nazi'

Humans have always migrated.

Why is our language made up of dozens of other ones?

Because we are a nation of immigrants.

The only country which saw a wholly alien population and culture move there in vast number was Israel and we can all see how well that worked out
Care to eleborate?

Interesting how Farage is quite happy for us to pay into the commitment for MEP Pensions.
Yanbu . But as predicted leavers will come along and say. "See I told you those nasty Europeans are only out for what they can get from us"
Completely forgetting that not only will we have to pay the divorce bill but also find money to give to sectors who will struggle as they will now lose their subsidies from the EU.

For the last time!! They are NOT telling us we can't leave ffs!!

They are saying we have to pay our share. Which is fair enough.

And @aweek you obviously have no idea if you think 'once this has been paid off...' like we will be able to just hand over billions we have stashed under the mattress.

I have refrained from thinking leavers are idiots because I know one or two and I would prefer to not think less of them but by God some posters on here are thick.