To think the referendum results would have been different if the costs had been known?

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I mean, almost £60bn. Really? Who would actually have supported this? Apparently we have no money, the cupboards are bare, there's no magic money tree... oh, except the money for the DUP, and this.

And who's going to pay the price for this? Not the richest, that's for sure. More economy-crushing cuts coming our way!

Ah, less as an ArronBankser makes a lot of sense. I feel the hand of made-up history on her or his shoulder.

It's about 4 years of net contributions isn't it?

So, on balance, £60 billion & then kiss goodbye seems a lot more palatable than paying that amount, continually, for ever & ever & ever.

The costs were known and published before the referendum. I definitely heard the £50bn figure or thereabouts. There just seem to be 17 million imbeciles in the country who chose to stick their fingers in their ears and believe that it wouldn't happen. I don't see why they'd do anything different if they had another shot.

This is an article from the FT from a couple of weeks ago.

www.ft.com/content/c276ed98-be8e-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111
Beware the Tory cult that’s steering Brexit
‘The difficulty of Brexiting is part of the appeal: only a great tribe can renew itself through sacrifice’

Its premise is to point out that Brexit is a Cargo Cult. And Boris Johnson is their spiritual leader.

What's a Cargo Cult?

Its when a society suddenly destroys its economic core in search of a golden age, because they perceive they are in some kind of decline.

This article today refers to it, using the comparison of the Fall of Singapore
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/29/military-incompetence-brexit-psychology-britain-battlefield?CMP=share_btn_tw
What military incompetence can teach us about Brexit

But it was Dixon’s description of the disastrous fall of Singapore in 1942, almost without a fight, because the local command distrusted new tactics and underestimated the Japanese, that really chimes. And his description of too many second-rate officers repeating how they wanted to “teach a lesson to the Japs”.

None of this suggests that Brexit is somehow the wrong strategy, but that the agenda has been wrested by a group of people showing the classic symptoms of the psychology of military incompetence, including a self-satisfied obsession with appearance over reality and pomp over practicality, and a serious tendency to talk about European nations as if they needed to be “taught a lesson”.

Utterly fascinating.

^It's about 4 years of net contributions isn't it?

So, on balance, £60 billion & then kiss goodbye seems a lot more palatable than paying that amount, continually, for ever & ever & ever

Paying about £8billion a year net to get the ability to trade seamlessly with the EU.

"The government's Office for Budget Responsibility published revised GDP growth numbers based on data following the June 2016 referendum. Those new estimates suggest that Brexit will cost Britain £72 billion in lost annual economic activity by 2021, according to an analysis by the Resolution Foundation.

uk.businessinsider.com/the-economic-cost-of-brexit-in-gdp-2017-11?r=US&IR=T

I would still vote leave; I don't want to be in a federated Europe, and I don't like what I'm hearing from some others about FRONTEX in Greece. I don't think the current direction of travel is the right one, and that we are better off leaving.

On the Martin Lewis poll: 45 000 voted 73% were for remain.
And this opinion poll isn't out of date

I can't open it up but what % of those voted remain in the first place?

I don't know any leave voters who have changed their mind and would vote differently.

On the Martin Lewis poll: 45 000 voted 73% were for remain.
And this opinion poll isn't out of date As said up thread it doesn't represent a large proportion of the population. Only Twatter users, many many people just don't use the thing.

*lots of the population forgotten, what's new!

All opinion polls are equal but some are more equal than others.

There just seem to be 17 million imbeciles in the country
Oh goody, reasoned debate on Brexit is back

I agree the debate was so much more reasoned when it was Lessworriedaboutthecats incoherent rants.

Twatter users is also hilarious!!!

only Twatters users

Haha, obviously it was too much effort for that 73% to drag themselves actually out to the polling stations

Obviously they'll be glad they didn't because brexit is going to be so great.

The only country which saw a wholly alien population and culture move there in vast number was Israel and we can all see how well that worked out.

What a load of ignorant shit. About half the population of Israel are the descendants of Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries after its creation, so had quite a similar culture (and are even brown skinned!) and not wholly alien - just unwanted because they were the wrong religion (like the Yazidis now).

mothertruck3r and is a secular state and has a democratic parliament for Arab, Christian and Jewish Israelis as well as a population including Syrian refugees and Somali Jews.

I'm going to wish those who voted leave and continue to, peace and all the best, and a picture from a lovely twitter feed, I recommend it.

The only country which saw a wholly alien population and culture move there in vast number was Israel and we can all see how well that worked out

Quite a lot better than the surrounding countries, in fact....