To think the referendum results would have been different if the costs had been known?

[TammySwansonTwo]

I mean, almost £60bn. Really? Who would actually have supported this? Apparently we have no money, the cupboards are bare, there's no magic money tree... oh, except the money for the DUP, and this.

And who's going to pay the price for this? Not the richest, that's for sure. More economy-crushing cuts coming our way!

Oh do slime off, you greenypurple illiterate idiot. I didn't say I would now vote leave? Nor did I say that I wouldn't pay?! projecting much?! I merely wish we didn't have to pay because I wish we weren't leaving.

Cameron's ego rushed this through without proper forethought because he thought it would solve Tory infighting. and none of the politicians bothered to look outside their bubbles to see that it was actually a real possibility because of how many people outside London felt. I should know - most of my family up north voted leave and they feel v v strongly about it.

Have a lovely whilst we still have the benefit of the EU quality controls!

Everyone I've spoken to who voted leave feels this all confirms they were right.

I voted remain and now agree with them too.

Rebecca how does making bananas and cucumbers straight protect us? They grow curved, they were sold by weight and those particular laws were just the tip of the stupidity that still sees thousands of tonnes of perfectly good food being ploughed in or burned because it simply isn't the right size. And that is in the UK, how much more goes to waste across the EU? That and the fishing quota... all sheer bloody madness that still hasn't been rectified!

And no, I have never fallen for the stupidity of various meeja sources that rattle on about H+S. I worked in education for far too long to fall for any of that claptrap!

We cannot afford brexit. That was obvious from the start (to some people). I'm less worried about this payment than I am about the ongoing detrimental effects to our economy.

Me too.

And I think that coming back with our tail between our legs would be far less damaging than what lies ahead once we leave, especially if we leave with no deal.

I don't see how the EU has not had 'dignity'. They've followed the rules and never changed their position. Compare and contrast to the UK government's behaviour.

The sheer ignorance and entitled attitude on this thread is embarrassing.

Of course we were going to have to pay - WE HAD MADE COMMITMENTS! We had signed up to things. We had agreed contracts if you like. I don't want to use the stupid word but FFS, ever since the referendum was announced, British people have done nothing to prove its not true.

If the way this is going comes as a surprise to anyone who voted leave, then, frankly, they are idiots.

They've followed the rules and never changed their position. I can't disagree about the UK government's behaviour but that just isn't right! Mainly because, as I said earlier, the rules they have followed have been untested, shown to be badly drawn up in some places and open to interpretation! So they've interpreted them as they see fit and have managed to shout loudest, helping make May seem ineffectual- something her own ministers have been complicit in.

It isn't as simple as we were wrong they are right!

Bananas are classified by quality and size so they can be traded internationally. Quality standards are also needed so that people know what they are buying and that the produce meets their expectations.

Straight & bendy are not banned by the EU. Commission Regulation 2257/94 identifies certain restrictions for fruits that producers have to conform to in order to sell their produce within the EU. The regulation states that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature."

Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape" and Class 2 bananas full-on "defects of shape".

In 2011 this regulation and other relevant rules were brought together for the sake of clarity under a single implementing regulation (1333/2011), and in 2013 a further change simplified reporting requirements (implementing regulation 565/2013).

Does that clear matters up for you Samphire?

Sadly as we still have a Food Standards Agency you may not be able to buy the minuscule brown bananas you obviously so wish to consume.

helping make May seem ineffectual

She doesn't need any help there. And she, under the influence of the swivel-eyed Tory right, has been shouting louder (and more repetitiously) than anyone about 'Brexit means Brexit', 'strong and stable', 'moving forward together' etc etc.

For those people concerned about their bendy bananas and straight cucumbers, I’d recommend looking at the EU euromyths webpage.

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

Yes Project Fear, just like the predicted rising food prices that we now have.

^ This. I am seething at the price of the same block of butter that was £1.6 yesterday in Morrisons.
But we have got our country back so hey ho.

The money is irrelevant.

@Rachel5742

1. It's a desperate attempt to move things on..it's a payment of dues which leads us to a far worse place than we would be were we not to #StopBrexit. But money is not the real issue here; that being the ECJ.

Tory Brexiters seek to remove the UK from international accountability

1. Currently we're subject to international rules & standards enforced & interpreted via the ECJ in the EU & in a wider European sphere the ECHR. Both of which have been heavily influenced by rights drafted by UK lawyers after the war..Tories see these as constraints.

1. Currently citizens & companies have the right to take the UK Govt to these courts if they transgress the rules or basic corporate or human rights...this is anathema to the Brextremists as it prevents them bringing in their vision of the future.

1. This not money the real issue...if we want out of the SM/CU/ECJ there will be problems...trust is now at an all time low. Unless we're compliant with the SM & CU, the ECJ & the 4 Freedoms there will be a harder border & EU cits will lose rights & the EU is mindful of this...

1. And it doesn't end there or with #Brexit, if indeed we do end up leaving given A50 is revocable & constitutionally the UK can #StopBrexit (only ideology & party politics is in the way of that)...there is the on-going relationship with the EU to consider....

"And no, I have never fallen for the stupidity of various meeja sources that rattle on about H+S. I worked in education for far too long to fall for any of that claptrap!"

Yet you still believe in Euromyths about straight bananas and cucumbers.
Do you believe in the spaghetti tree harvest, too?

errr... would it be totally useless to point out that there is not now and never has been an EU regulation banning curved bananas?

Bananas like other food products have always been divided into different classes. Within this classification, the top class of bananas (known as "extra class") includes among its criteria that the fruit should be "free of abnormal curvature" (so normal banana-ish curves still allowed).

That's all it means: there are special criteria for top class bananas. Just like there are special criteria for different classes of pretty well everything that is sold, from wine to diamonds. But absolutely no regulations to say you can't sell class 1 or class 2 bananas if that is what you prefer. And shops do.

Up to you as a customer which bananas you choose to buy: Juncker isn't going to be lurking in the food aisle trying to stop you.

If me and DH can feel the heat, I don't want to think of so many others who don't earn good wages. About a day ago, the figures for child birth rate per woman in this country were published and we are already going below 2.0. It was 1.9 or something, lowered from 2.2 the last time it was determined.

Hard to get job, hard to make ends meet, hard to pay student loan back, hard to get NHS appointments and nearly impossible to buy a family home near good jobs unless your elderly parents can pay for it.

Sorry, seem to have cross-posted with half of MN.

Juncker isn't going to be lurking in the food aisle trying to stop you.

So people now think we should Leave because Project Fear was right? And because the UK being held to account by the other members is mean?

That's some fucking amazing kool aid.

You all do realise that this morning is just the money that we have committed ourselves to previously? Its for stuff we had effectively got on credit.

Complaining about this, is like ordering 4 pints in the pub, being told the cost of them and drinking them and then saying "no fair! we didn't agree to that".

But yes, buy into the 'Big Mean EU' stuff and go on about Project Fear

The amount of crap people swallow without question, never fails to amaze me.

@GreenPurpleRed

IF the rumours are true then Rebecca's comment about him was fact, not spiteful.

@Rebecca

David Cameron has gone on record to say he has no regrets calling the referendum.

Well you said it @Mission "rumours". What is it, truth or just an excuse to show your shitting horrible colours?

I think there are huge misunderstandings on this thread and a complete misunderstanding or ignorance of Tory party history and the history of agitators for leaving the EU.

Cameron was forced into a corner as Major was previously. Continuing unrest in the Tory party plus Farage drove Cameron into a referendum to settle the situation which had rumbled since the late 1970s. The fact that people didn’t believe what leave would actually mean wasn’t down to Cameron. It is now fairly widely believed that the least well off in society will pay the highest price so they should have understood more than most what they stood to lose. They didn’t. We have agreed financial obligations with the EU. We cannot cut and run. It’s not a fee for leaving: it’s legal obligations that we are trying to worm out of and leave the 27 carrying the can. We have to pay so get over it.

Regarding those outside London: does anyone really imagine London is full of rich people? That people in London don’t have the same concerns and problems as everyone else coupled with massive housing costs? Of course they do. Continually perpetuating them and us really is not helpful.

As for company’s making profits: millions of people have pensions invested in these companies. We need to keep them making profits and doing well. If they cannot then they may well make workers redundant and move.

Brexit was never going to be about immigration, making our own laws and reinstating our entitlement to an empire! We can trade with anyone we want to now and we do. The EU never stopped this and the ignorance of some is breathtaking! Are you really saying Range Rovers made in this country are not sold in the USA or China? Really?

We need to understsnd that we are not likely to trade much more with other countries unless we have competitive and well run companies who can out perform the competition, which is fierce. Nearly everything they want can be traded with the EU so why bother with us? If we are not careful our financial services sector will locate to the EU and our workers will be redundant or have to move. There is a massive infrastructure that supports these services.

Leavers really do not care about any of this and at worse don’t understand the ramifications, particularly to our young people. It’s an utter disgrace how the duty of citizens to make an informed decision was ignored by millions on the basis of what politicians told them! Politicians? Those most trusted people in society! It just beggars belief. Farage is a self serving front man; Gove and Boris too. Why on earth would anyone believe them? But they did. Bigger fools them.

as there was no interest in flexibility or negotiation before the referendum it is no surprise to me that there's none now.

as mentioned, why would the EU want this to work for us? That would start a stampede for the exit.

So if staying in the EU is so beneficial then why would there be a stampede from other members to exit if they made it work for us?
It doesn’t really make sense if the EU are making it very hard for us to leave to stop other countries doing the same if it makes so much more sense to stay in.

Got to laugh at purplegreen sam cam defending her utterly inept husband.

Mission - yep, that's why I'd love to know what he says in private! Although he won't exactly notice the rising food bills...

@GreenPurpleRed

First of all, the way you are talking to people on here is aggressive and coming across as vile. I put IF in capital letters and I didn't actually make a comment other than say IF the rumours are true then the other posters comment was fact.