In not wanting to be a feminist

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I know I’m not alone as have had this conversation with friends but does anyone else feel PC stuff is just going too far now. The gender stuff is confusing me - I’m female always have been always will be and perfectly happy that way I don’t want to identify whatever that means with anything else and change my mind or whatever the gender fluid thing is ( that really confuses me) I’m mum to a daughter - who when younger was a pink, princess, Barbie loving frilly dress wearing child. I loved her wearing pretty dresses and wanting pretty hair. I’ve always worked in female dominated jobs - through choice no one forced me from being little I wanted to be cabin crew, my parents would have preferred me to be a solicitor, accountant or doctor like my siblings but supported my decision to go into the beauty industry because that’s what I was happy doing.
When I was younger I was whistled at in the street, had my bum pinched in nightclubs etc I wasn’t offended or outraged.

I don’t want to live in a genderless world, I don’t want my teenage daughter being in gender neutral changing rooms, I don’t even like being referred to as someone’s partner I’m quite happy being called his girlfriend.

I don’t want to offend anyone with my probably old fashioned views - I’m not even old! But I’m getting fed up of constantly hearing and reading about what I should think and believe, i mean the latest fuss about Sleeping beauty ..... what will pc brigade want to ban next?

Because they are male and belong in a male prison.

OK, well we are going to have to agree to disagree because if they've believed they were a woman since they were born, transitioned, and live as a woman, I think it would be unfair.

Maybe the answer would be a trans-wing of male/female prisons.

What is the definition of woman of it doesn't mean 'adult human female' and a male can identify his way into being one? I'd love a definition that doesn't include the word 'woman' or perpetuate sexist stereotypes

I wonder if you’ll get an answer to that, Cherry.

I got told the other day that my definition of woman was “flawed” and that I was a bad feminist for being so “hooked on biology”

Why would they be less safe in a male prison than a female one?

Why would they be less safe in a male prison than a female one?

Because prisons are a grouping-together of lawbreakers, many of which are violent, and violent males are on average stronger and more threatening than violent females. The trans person doesn't live or identify as a male though, and probably doesn't look like or have the strength of one either anymore.

on average stronger and more threatening than violent females

Which is exactly why male people shouldn't be in prisons with females

The trans person doesn't live or identify as a male though, and probably doesn't look like or have the strength of one either anymore.

Transwomen commit violent crimes at the same rate as men, and of course they're just as strong - hormones can't change bone structure.

Nearly Yolo (thanks for answering). In two prisons, both containing an equal number of prisoners, which one with have the highest number of violent offenders do you thnk? The male prison or the female one?

OP, you can only tell your DD she can be who she wants to be, because you and your DD are standing on the shoulders of feminists. She owes her opportunities to feminists.

Do you vote? Stand to inherit property? Have the right to have an abortion?

Why are women less violent though? Biology or conditioning? I'm hoping conditioning plays a big part because then men can be conditioned out of it...
If it's biology then we need a plan B.
The plan B that worked somewhat before that was men decided decided what behaviours was acceptable- not hitting women, not being a " cad/ dick" etc. They accepted they were prone to being twats.
My problem is that no one seems to define atrocities in terms of men. Hence the news today reported the killing of Muslims in Eygpt in terms of religion. Despite the fact it was all men killing ...all men. Again,

In two prisons, both containing an equal number of prisoners, which one with have the highest number of violent offenders do you think? The male prison or the female one?

Answer: It’s the male one.

Gosh it’s conditioning. There’s no biological basis for it. And I agree with you, I saw a brilliant thread on twitter once that said something along the lines of ‘if we put ‘here’s another example of male violence’ every time there’s a violent crime committed by a man, maybe that would make people see the scale of the problem’ - although much better put than that.

Which is exactly why male people shouldn't be in prisons with females

But that depends on how you define "male". Someone who has transitioned into a female, taken the hormones and had the surgery, is legally a woman.

How do you define ‘male’ Yolo?

Yolo proposals to law changes would mean that men wouldn't even have to take hormones or have surgery, or even so much as shave their beard - saying "I'm a woman" would legally make them one. Do you think that's ok and that those people are real women too (they do exist already BTW. Here's a picture of a woman named Danielle)?

proposals to law changes would mean that men wouldn't even have to take hormones or have surgery, or even so much as shave their beard - saying "I'm a woman" would legally make them one. Do you think that's ok

Nope - I think that to legally identify as the other gender they have to go through some sort of transitioning process, or at least the counselling.

I don't agree with the proposed changes but I do think that transitioned transwomen shouldn't be in mens prisons.

I think that to legally identify as the other gender they have to go through some sort of transitioning process, or at least the counselling

For now. This is likely to change though. There's a consultation open on it now.

But if you believe trans women who've gone through these physical changes are real women, why not those who don't want to go through the physical changes? Why should they have to modify their bodies to prove their woman-ness?

This is why I don't believe anyone can or should identify their way into the opposite sex. The concept is hugely flawed

That is the problem @YoloSwaggins - if the Bill goes through, people like Danielle Muscato as mentioned above will legally be classed the same as the "fully transitioned" people that you are thinking of.

That's why so many women have such a problem with the Bill and the people agitating for it so violently.

I don't agree with the proposed changes but I do think that transitioned transwomen shouldn't be in mens prisons.

Oh Yolo why though?

So how do you define 'male' or 'female' Yolo?

Oh dear

Sorry Yolo I had a huge reply typed because you didn’t answer my question and I deleted it because I didn’t want you to feel like you were being picked on. And it’s a bit rubbish for you because you’re the only one who has stuck around to answer quesrions about it. So (really, it’s had to make your tone sincere online) thank you for at least trying. But I disagree because I honestly feel that the trans issue is a house of cards and the bottom line is - women suffer because of issues like this.

I don't know, I don't have the perfect answer.

But I just don't think someone like Chelsea Manning should be in a male prison. That's all.

I mean this kindly (hard to get right online) Chelsea Manning didn’t start transitioning until after sentencing.

Actually pumper I think we are in agreement. As you say, you have a lovely husband (I'm really glad about this btw) and you know other good men. What I am trying to say is that I don't want to blame them for the bad things some people do.

It would be totally unacceptable for a man to say "women are needy"- though some certainly are, most certainly are not! So we can't say "men oppress women" because... they don't. In fact, the person who believes in me most is my husband. I don't like hearing all this blaming, I know men who are good and kind and I want them to be granted the right not to be tarred with the same brush as other men just for being the same gender. Women don't stand for it and men shouldn't have to either. That is equality.

And I had 'stuck around'... I've just been stuck in traffic for longer!

hollow but we’re not in agreement - I don’t blame them but i do think they have a responsibility to change things: I expect my husband/son/brother/dad to challenge sexist behaviour because they have an ability to change things that I don’t have.

Women, as a whole, ARE oppressed by men, as a whole. And men can stop this from happening.

It’s not equality because women are always on the back foot. Until I can walk around, as drunk as a skunk, dressed as skimpily as I choose, no matter the time of day, without being at risk from sexual harassment from men, that’s when I’ll stop seeing a gap between men and women. When my daughter is safe from sexual assault, when women’s rights are protected, when male violence isn’t at pandemic levels, that’s when I’ll see equality.