In not wanting to be a feminist

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I know I’m not alone as have had this conversation with friends but does anyone else feel PC stuff is just going too far now. The gender stuff is confusing me - I’m female always have been always will be and perfectly happy that way I don’t want to identify whatever that means with anything else and change my mind or whatever the gender fluid thing is ( that really confuses me) I’m mum to a daughter - who when younger was a pink, princess, Barbie loving frilly dress wearing child. I loved her wearing pretty dresses and wanting pretty hair. I’ve always worked in female dominated jobs - through choice no one forced me from being little I wanted to be cabin crew, my parents would have preferred me to be a solicitor, accountant or doctor like my siblings but supported my decision to go into the beauty industry because that’s what I was happy doing.
When I was younger I was whistled at in the street, had my bum pinched in nightclubs etc I wasn’t offended or outraged.

I don’t want to live in a genderless world, I don’t want my teenage daughter being in gender neutral changing rooms, I don’t even like being referred to as someone’s partner I’m quite happy being called his girlfriend.

I don’t want to offend anyone with my probably old fashioned views - I’m not even old! But I’m getting fed up of constantly hearing and reading about what I should think and believe, i mean the latest fuss about Sleeping beauty ..... what will pc brigade want to ban next?

Re your teacher, each situation should be considered individually, as it is now. But it's still physically impossible to change sex.

And yes it isn’t going to be the quiet transsexual community (of which I know a few) who benefit from this. They have just been quietly going about their business for a very long time, aeons really.
No it’s going to be male predators who benefit. And women (and the aforementioned quiet community) whonlose out.

You can’t change sex.

surely even if they did doesn't that say 'you are different' because you are trans

I'm a transwoman and I don't feel remotely discriminated against when people say that my experiences as a transwoman is different to that of a woman because it's true. Being different is not necessarily a bad thing and it's confusing to me when people try and imply it is. Pretending that trans people are the same would be the real discrimination imo.

Their rights are no less relevant than women's rights.

Nobody said they were. What people have claimed however is that our rights are different but different does not = lesser than or not as important.

Are you saying you are always the sex you were born with then. What about after a sex change or after a transition.

You cannot change sex. It is impossible. I know and accept that I will always be male no matter how much surgery and hormones I have. The best we can do is alter our bodies in order to make it resemble the opposite sex but we will not actually be the opposite sex.

ifyoucantstandtheheat I can't speak for everyone but I'm scared of:

Any man who feels like it, having the right to use female bathrooms and changing rooms as I know it is likely to mean women, girls and trans people being abused.

I'm scared of rapists being put in female prisons.

I'm scared of women's sport being taken over by men who, after not qualifying in a male category, claim they are a woman so they can still compete, and take a females space.

I'm scared of not being able to ask for a female nurse when I have a smear or whatever.

I'm scared of no females being on boards of directors because john now identifies as a woman so they've filled their quota of token women.

I'm scared of men who get off on the abuse of women, claiming to be a woman so that they can't work in rape crisis centres.

I'm scared that gender stereotypes are being held up as the new measuring stick of how to define a persons sex.

Does that help at all? These aren't small fears that should be brushed under the carpet, they need addressing.

pumper no I believe it is down to the people who sexually assault others. Not 'men'. Women don't like generalising so, in the name of being equal, let's not do it to men either.

Ah, hollow you and I definitely disagree on this. I see it as men’s problem to fix - because it is (by an absolutely massive margin) men who are committing the vast number of sexual assaults. To me this means - pulling up other men when they use sexist language, teaching their children about consent (about real consent ie even if you’re halfway through having sex and your partner says stop, you stop. Being drunk doesn’t matter, a kiss is not a contract etc), putting a stop to any kind of objectification of women and so on. I truely believe that the good men (and I have a good husband, dad, son etc) can make a difference.

Ordermeacurry thanks for your perspective on this

angelsins so are you saying you believe that people will use trans to erode rights of women deliberately then?

I just don’t think any one would deliberately put themselves through that to erode women’s rights.

I just don’t think any one would deliberately put themselves through that to erode women’s rights.

Put themselves through what? Its been repeatedly pointed out that there is no requirement to do anything, besides fill out a form, if this proposed change goes through. This is why people are getting very concerned.

ifyoucantstandtheheat the new gender recognition bill (hope I’ve got the right working) means people will be able to self-identify as a different sex. It won’t be hard to do at all, it’s filling out a form. It won’t take a particularly intelligent predatory man to be able to take advantage.

Sorry, that last sentence doesn’t make sense - a predatory man wouldn’t even have to be particularly intelligent to see this as an easy way in - is what I meant.

They won’t need to ‘try’ to erode women’s rights. Women’s rights and protections will be eroded by the very act of changing legislation, to an incredible degree.

It is imperative that we push back.

Rape Crisis don't have medical centres. They're a helpline/counselling/advocacy service.

so are you saying you believe that people will use trans to erode rights of women deliberately then?

Yes. It’s already happening. Male prisoners declaring as female to get into women’s prisons. Male athletes declaring as women and winning everything. Men engaging in awful threats and abuse online of any woman who dares question them.

These aren’t men who have been through the long and gruelling hormonal and surgical route to look more female and just want to get on with their lives not bothering anyone. They are men. Who have signed a form. And now have access to vulnerable female prisoners. Or women’s refuges. Or can now smash all women’s records in sport. That’s all it takes - there’s no commitment. A man can say they are female, compete against women and then decide they are male again a year or two later.

Women need to be furious about this. And frankly, the quiet and reasonable bits of the trans community do too, because all that quiet normality they’ve fought for is going to disappear when people associate them with the vocal TRA crowd.

Try to erode? They won’t need to try, women’s rights and protections are and will be eroded by the very act of changing this legislation.

Ugh thought it hadn’t posted. Well it’s worth saying twice.

It is worth saying twice.

Right now you can’t be fired for being pregnant because only women can get pregnant and do it would be sex discrimination

If men decide they are women, then all these protected states are put the window. Protection in pregnancy? Gone. Work fired you in a sex descrimination case? No comeback.

The legal implications are colossal.

I'm scared of rapists being put in female prisons.

But would it really be more fair to put a transitioned male-to-female transsexual into a mens prison?! Where they will be beaten up in about 2 seconds?

Oh Yolo - where is this Rape Crisis that had a medical centre?

My mistake - it's Skarossinkplunger who mentioned that.

Trans women are a subset of men, not women. If they cannot be integrated into men's prisons as they now stand then the answer is to reconfigure the male prison estate not put them in womens prisons. Lots of male prisoners are beaten up btw - why concern only for transwomen?

Lots of male prisoners are beaten up btw - why concern only for transwomen?

Because they are much more likely to be victimised in a male prison! So what is the answer - trans prisons?

You don't want them in female prisons because they -might- rape a woman, but you want them in a male prison where they will most definitely get attacked/raped for standing out like a sore thumb. How is that fair?

And no, I don't agree with that. Putting someone who has gone through a full transition and lives as a woman, and has never raped anyone, into a prison with women is not "eroding womens rights".

As I said, they can refigure the men's prison estate to create safe wings for transwomen. No objections there. What they should not do is put them in with vulnerable women.

Ninon our rape crisis centre had a medical suite attached. It’s where they do the examinations and evidence gathering. But I get it, you’re doubting my story.

But would it really be more fair to put a transitioned male-to-female transsexual into a mens prison?! Where they will be beaten up in about 2 seconds?

In a word - yes. Because they are male and belong in a male prison. It's not like male prisoners take it easy on everyone but trans folk.