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AIBU?

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AIBU? -Probably - sodding school play

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amerrylittlenamechange · 22/11/2017 10:20

Yes, it’s one of those threads. I have a dd in Yr 6 - she’s one of the youngest, and it’s a difficult class in a largish primary. Lots of issues, which the school handles well - but things in her class are quite ‘locked down’ - lots of collective punishment and missing play, a bit of low-level disruption and being kicked etc, etc. It’s not the case in the rest of the school - I have another child further down - who has a genuinely lovely time in class. But this class is hard work. And dd is one of those well-behaved children who just gets overlooked in an environment like that.

The school has always been beautifully inclusive - which I really like - and very focussed on performing arts. And obviously it’s nearly Christmas, so they’ve just cast the school play. All but six children in her class have got something to do in it. There were no auditions - children just put their hand up (or shouted out, dd says) and she was at the back with her hand up every time and the teacher didn’t see her. She’s quite short, and not particularly confident. Though before anyone asks she is a good public speaker - it’s not that she can’t be loud when she needs to.

Now I’ve no problem with her not getting a part. You can’t win them all - and I’ve told her that - and she’s pinning her hopes on the Leavers ‘Production, where they will apparently be able to audition. She does drama out of school (a free afterschool club) anyway so she does get her chances. We had a chat about how good it was that lots of people who might not do drama elsewhere get a chance. She’s onboard with it all. She asked the teacher if there was any other way for her to be involved (at my instigation because she was so upset - asked about makeup, costumes, scenery, lighting etc) Told she might be able to help with the technology, but nothing has happened with that because the teacher ‘doesn’t have time to check’.

My issue is that there are a LOT of rehearsals. In other years children who haven’t got lines (which usually includes DD - though she has been a narrator once or twice) have been on stage singing and doing, you know, some kind of actions. This year, apparently they can’t be involved at all (not even with her class’s song, which is only done by children on stage), so they are just sitting on the bench doing nothing and watching everyone else during rehearsals.

There are a lot of rehearsals. The teacher now says that she and the other five might be able to ‘play with an iPad’ while everyone else is rehearsing - and yesterday he did let them bring a book. I’m not really wild about that as a solution for the six children who can’t be involved as rehearsals are three times a week for an hour as the Christmas Play fever ramps up. Though DD, is, I must admit, really pleased that she might get to play with an iPad (and I'm really not)

But AIBU to think

a) if you can involve 21 children in a class Christmas scene you can involve 27?
b) All of the children should be able to feel involved in the preparation for the show in some way?
c) Giving six of them an iPad to play with instead is not a great solution?

Suspect I’m being ‘that mother’ to be cross. But I think it could have been handled better.

OP posts:
hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:05

That's awful. Surely she could join in the songs at least? The teacher is an asshole. I don't dare mention it, but could the fact that he is a man mean he's had an emotional intelligence bypass?
DD has been everything from the legendary shepherd to narrator and always took her role very seriously bless her. No matter whether she was a star or whatever. She loved it. Also does drama out of school and absolutely loves to be picked for larger roles. It's great for their confidence. Not so great to be completely and utterly bloody excluded though. Stupid man. YADNBU.

WhatwouldAryado · 22/11/2017 12:06

The teacher sounds irrisponsible and unimaginative! Kids sat around doing nothing regularly? Sucks. I am lousy at all things performing arts related but I could imagine ways of crowbaring children into something!

ZebraOwl · 22/11/2017 12:08

The other thing is that the Christmas play is not a surprise event. They've known it's coming. They've known there are 27 Y6 children needing parts. I do totally understand that teachers work very long hours & have ridiculous things to do within that workload if they're in the state sector (tbf am sure private schools choose to come up with mad initiatives all of their own) - but arranging for the Christmas Play to have the correct number of parts needed to be done. As PPs have said, when it was chosen (again, presumably not on the spur of the moment... or if it was, it shouldn't have been, because of the thing where they had lots of time to think about this) someone[s] should have gone through & either split roles or added some in.

YADNBU (or precious, or That Mother) to try to get this fixed - for the sake of all 6 children.

whiskyowl · 22/11/2017 12:09

It is stupid to put on a play that doesn't involve all the children, particularly when some of them do want to be involved. I think your line on this needs to be that your DD is sitting around doing absolutely nothing for hours while rehearsals take place, and that this isn't stimulating for her, or educational!

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:09

I would suggest that she could help out with 'the set' or being 'costume helper' or bloody something at least. Even to be allowed to join in with the songs surely? It's the worst thing I've heard about a school play and I usually roll my eyes at the 'parent's association child always gets main part' nonsense that we will all be seeing in the coming weeks. That's 3 hours of doing nothing and feeling like a complete misfit on the actual performance day. Completely unacceptable and makes me feel very annoyed on your behalf.

NumberEightyOne · 22/11/2017 12:10

YANBU. This sort of stuff is what breaks your heart as a parent.

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:13

As for doing 'something educational' on her ipad for 3 hours a week, rather than the excitement of rehearsals, that's just bollox.

I really need to step away from this thread as I'm way too involved than is normal lol.

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:14

Will she even be allowed or be bothered to attend the main event?

amerrylittlenamechange · 22/11/2017 12:16

I think there are some all-school songs she'll be allowed to sing (just not her class's song). They learn those in assembly, not in rehearsals - so they'll expect her to be there to sing with the rest of the school.

OP posts:
hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:20

Ah, bless her little heart. That would break my heart as a parent. Hopefully MAN will see sense.

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:22

You can't exclude a child from English for example, so why is it acceptable to exclude a child from drama? It's just completely unacceptable, nonsensical and very annoying to hear.

saladdays66 · 22/11/2017 12:22

It's absolutely insane to put on a play that leaves out ANY children. IIRC our lower school practised for weeks and weeks for their school play. Everyone had a part - dancing, narrating, acting, SOMETHING. To leave out any kids is quite mind-boggling. I'd be going in and having a word. They must be inclusive.

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:25

In my experience, they love their roles. Even if they're the rear end of a donkey. All the stars in nativity plays make my day. Particularly when they start fighting on stage for their place hahahha. Is it a regular nativity or something else?

SoozC · 22/11/2017 12:30

I'm not a parent but I'm an experienced teacher who's taught everything from Reception to Year 6.

Your DD's teacher is being AWFUL. I hope you get this situation sorted because it is not acceptable. I have never left a child out of a play and I have done many, many plays. I always ask every child what kind of part they want, I audition for popular or high-speaking parts (even in Reception - you can get a good idea just from them repeating one line in front of the class) and EVERY SINGLE CHILD GETS TO DRESS UP AND HAVE TIME ON STAGE.

Your DD's teacher needs to re-think how they do things. We've all had difficult classes and it's no excuse for not allowing every child to have their moment. In fact, it's usually a great opportunity to give those children, who don't get as much 1:1 attention because they're just good enough to sit down and get on with their work, a reward just for being themselves.

I'm livid for you and your DD!!!

silentsigh · 22/11/2017 12:31

How can the teacher not see it's wrong when there's six children just sitting out because he hasn't made the effort to find them parts/get involved?! It would feel like a punishment.

FlowerPot1234 · 22/11/2017 12:32

Please don't be that mother. I have some sympathy though - that those selected were through putting up of hands and your daughter was at the back. That's frustrating and unfair, I can understand that.

But it's no different to the school plays in my day when I remember roles were handed out without any communication to any other pupil whatsoever! There was even a play that was put on and most of us didn't even know it was happening until the posters went up.

We all managed to get over the 15 second distress caused by this and get on with our lives. It really is so incredibly unimportant. Please don't make it out to be something it's not, and make your child think so too.

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:34

Flowerpot. You're alone in your thinking here. Sorry.

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:36

I never remember any school play either in my day or my child's day where every single child hadn't SOME part to play. Some who couldn't be trusted to behave on stage had very serious and important back-stage roles.

diddl · 22/11/2017 12:37

I wonder how many have been left out in total then?

Disgusting that they are not even involved with the class songs-that really is exclusion!

FlowerPot1234 · 22/11/2017 12:37

hiddley

Flowerpot. You're alone in your thinking here.
So what? Is that a point?

Sorry.
Grin Eh?

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:38

6 have been left out.

FlowerPot1234 · 22/11/2017 12:39

hiddley
I never remember any school play either in my day or my child's day where every single child hadn't SOME part to play. Some who couldn't be trusted to behave on stage had very serious and important back-stage roles.

So what? Others do. I accept you didn't have that experience. Some of us had a different experience. What's your point? Confused

hiddley · 22/11/2017 12:40

Flowerpot, you're the only one on this whole thread who thinks this is acceptable. I was making that point, yes.

Nanny0gg · 22/11/2017 12:41

We all managed to get over the 15 second distress caused by this and get on with our lives. It really is so incredibly unimportant. Please don't make it out to be something it's not, and make your child think so too.

It's not unimportant.

I have never heard of a primary school in this day and age that wouldn't include all children in some way unless they specifically didn't want to be there.

Rockhopper81 · 22/11/2017 12:41

I have led a Christmas play with 90 Reception aged children - every child had a part and got to put on a tabard/headband/bowtie to be involved. It's really not that hard - double up/increase appropriate parts (animals, angels etc.), add in attendants for the Magi (at least another 3 parts right there) and, if necessary, pick a play that has more parts to start with!

A previous poster seemed a little Hmm at her son being an alien in a Christmas play - we did that one one year, 'Christmas With The Aliens' if memory served, and they are great for getting each child involved (do you know how many aliens you can have if you have a year group of 90?!). They are still the nativity story, but in different ways. We also did one called, 'Busy, Busy Bethlehem', which had lots of townspeople.

My point is, all of those children had a part, and we had 90 to fit in - not being able to find parts for 27 children is ridiculous and, frankly, smacks of just not being arsed. I'd be saying something, and I'm the least confrontational person known to man!

Hope you get some resolution to it. Smile

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