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AIBU to ask MNHQ if we can have a trans discussion section?

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Skarossinkplunger · 21/11/2017 23:45

Out of the first 10 threads showing on my AIBU page 4 of them are trans threads. There is seriously no escaping, please can they have their own board?

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Skarossinkplunger · 22/11/2017 11:29

Assigned I am not inconvenienced by reading a fucking line on a webpage I was simply wondering as there are so many threads about it.

Personally, there are parts of the debate I agree with, parts I don’t and parts I don’t understand. But I’m sure as hell not going to find the answers in here, simply because posters like you mean I simply don’t click on the threads anymore.

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Ceto · 22/11/2017 11:30

Ceto - I can state really confidently that there is no possibility of Ian Brady being moved to a women's prison.

Can you explain how it could possibly be prevented if the law changes to permit anybody to get a GRC just by filling in a form?

Brady is in no state to fill in any forms.

redbuss · 22/11/2017 11:30

Exactly Op why should you have to avoid the threads?

I'm interested in debating the topic and have done in the past, but I can't be fucking arsed with tiresome posters who just froth.

Beachcomber · 22/11/2017 11:30

YABU

I'm another one who has learnt loads through discussions on MN.

I agree with those who say that MN is one of the few places where women can voice their concerns about trans ideology and what it means for women's rights and how children's rights and well-being are being adversely affected by this political movement.

Please don't shunt threads off to a hidden corner. If you are a poster who doesn't care about these issues, that is of course your right. But please don't try to prevent this discussion from being had in the mainstream thereby inadvertently preventing many women from finding out what is going on.

All women and children need women's rights to be protected and enshrined in law. Trans ideology is a big threat to that. You can't have effective women's rights if what it is to be a woman is no longer based on women's reality.

I'm always surprised when a woman says that she couldn't give a shit about that but I utterly respect your right to not care and not be interested.

Please accept the right of those of us who do care to voice our concerns and find solidarity with others.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 11:31

Well good. Don't click on them. Solution!

redbuss · 22/11/2017 11:33

Why shouldn't I click on them if I want to discuss the topic?

I should be able to have the discussions I want without being yelled at.

Anyway I can't actually be arsed with this ridiculous argument you're insisting on having so I'll bow out now.

Skarossinkplunger · 22/11/2017 11:33

I don’t, that’s my point!

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 22/11/2017 11:34

Redbus, my post about the Brexit board was tongue in cheek.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 11:37

Great.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 11:42

"I should be able to have the discussions I want without being yelled at."

Women and girls should be able to change without seeing dicks in their changing rooms.

Which is more important, do you think? The (sometimes fiery) freedom of speech / exchange of ideas, or bodily privacy and safety?

Vixky · 22/11/2017 11:45

Do you think someone could post a thread here involving someone who was trans (in Style and beauty for instance) without being shouted down for being trans?

You think someone talking about a man wanting to wear makeup would be shouted down by feminists? Hmm I think most feminists would agree that anyone should be free to wear whatever they like and that its a crying shame that men feel the need to be 'masculine'

peachgreen · 22/11/2017 11:45

I'm disgusted that vulnerable transwomen are being abused and assaulted because others refuse to allow them access to women's bathrooms and changing rooms.

I'm heartbroken that transgender children and teenagers are committing suicide at a higher rate than any other group because they aren't being taken seriously when they try to exert their bodily autonomy.

I'm outraged that people conflate the male practice of dressing in women's clothing for sexual thrills with genuine gender dysphoria.

And I'm sick of every thread about feminism or women's issues being derailed into a trans thread.

I could go on, but there is NO POINT, because I will never change anybody's mind on this topic.

Beachcomber · 22/11/2017 11:48

Like this latest bit of news - a 19 year old transwoman has harassed a lesbian out of holding a post as a woman's officer. This 19 year old male is now in a post as a woman's officer.

I'm guessing that the OP doesn't give a shiny one about that. Fine, your right. But lots of us do care and we want to read about it and discuss it. I don't think I would have even heard about it if it weren't for MN.

WitchesHatRim · 22/11/2017 11:49

I'm guessing that the OP doesn't give a shiny one about that.

That is a huge unfounded leap

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 11:52

And again. No thought for 'vulnerable' women. They don't matter, nooooo

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners

AIBU to ask MNHQ if we can have a trans discussion section?
Vixky · 22/11/2017 11:57

I'm interested in debating the topic and have done in the past, but I can't be fucking arsed with tiresome posters who just froth.

Interesting. I find a lot of AIBU threads have issues with posters who 'just froth' or will specifically go out of their way to be as nasty as possible. Its not really something thats confined to threads about trans people.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 11:58

"I'm outraged that people conflate the male practice of dressing in women's clothing for sexual thrills with genuine gender dysphoria"

We don't. But most of the late transitioning males have autogynephilia, which is a fetish where the males are aroused by the submission and humiliation of being a women.

Don't take my word for it. This was written by Miranda Yardley, a transsexual male who is also concerned about the rise pf AGP and the danger to women
medium.com/@mirandayardley/a-history-of-autogynephilia-7fc31e385436

There are many concerned transsexuals out there. But they are bigots and transphobes too eh? The Trans lobby do call then 'Truscum' though. Nice

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/11/2017 11:59

I'm disgusted that vulnerable transwomen are being abused and assaulted because others refuse to allow them access to women's bathrooms and changing rooms.

I don't have the stats to know how many such attacks there are, but if they are being attacked in the men's toilets and changing rooms then it's male pattern violence to blame. Male violence is also the reason most women want to retain sex-segregated spaces for undressing in. Some men who identify as trans are violent. Many women who have experienced sexual abuse prefer to avoid being close to a male-bodies person while in a state of undress. Don't you think it would be better to take the argument to the men to try to stop them being violent, rather than constantly blaming women for having perfectly reasonable reservations about sharing their space with male-bodied people?

I'm heartbroken that transgender children and teenagers are committing suicide at a higher rate than any other group because they aren't being taken seriously when they try to exert their bodily autonomy.

Again, I don't have the stats, but I believe it is a fact that a very high percentage of children and teenagers going through gender confusion are either on the autistic spectrum or have experienced sexual abuse or have a pre-existing mental health problem. Sadly, all these groups are more likely to be suicidal regardless of whether they're transgender or not.

I'm outraged that people conflate the male practice of dressing in women's clothing for sexual thrills with genuine gender dysphoria.

I've not seen anyone conflate it. Don't you think, though, that there should be research into the reasons why there has been a huge increase in the number of people who are transitioning? The two big groups appear to be teenage girls and adult males. It's very unlikely that the same forces are at play in both cases.

morningrunner · 22/11/2017 11:59

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sinceyouask · 22/11/2017 12:00

Yes, please, please create one. It would be lovely not to click on a thread only to find out it's yet another complaint about the rise of trans equality. Easy to say 'don't click on them'- half the time the OP has not made it at all clear in the title that the post is going to be about it.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 12:00

Vixky
I find a lot of AIBU threads have issues with posters who 'just froth' or will specifically go out of their way to be as nasty as possible

Ooooh yes. I keep the fuck away from the dog threads. They are terrifying

Vixky · 22/11/2017 12:04

I should be able to have the discussions I want without being yelled at.

AIBU is definitely the wrong area for you, if this is how you think on things. I don't think anyone should be yelled at and conversation should be possible without insults. But AIBU is notorious for stuff like this. A lot of people come to this section specifically to argue and yell, I think.

peachgreen

Start a thread about those things if they concern you that much?

No you might not change anyones mind, but not many people posting can change other peoples minds anyway. I don;t join debates thinking I can change anyones mind. I join them to put my own views across and listen to the other side. part of the reason I would really love for some posters who are not gender critical to engage. Regardless of if there are one or two posters who you feel are a bit harsh in their wording. As its not impossible to ignore those posters you feel are problematic*, just debate with others on the thread.

*This is not my personal view. Just as a general answer to those claiming they do not join in the discussions because of a couple of posters.

Vixky · 22/11/2017 12:06

Ooooh yes. I keep the fuck away from the dog threads. They are terrifying

I had the pleasure of reading my first full dog thread a few days ago as I usually read the OP then leave as I have not much interest in adding to those threads unless there is something specific I am concerned about. . I have actually never seen viciousness like it and it seemed to be nearly everyone on the thread getting extremely worked up Grin

Was the one about a smoking woman holding a baby who had kicked a puppy that had ran up to her.

Actually, smoking threads are just as bad, from what I have seen. And definitely any threads about parent and child parking spaces.

Blahblahblahzeeblah · 22/11/2017 12:07

I'd love it to have it's own section. Too many AIBU etc posts with no indication it's ANOTHER trans thread.

malcomFucker · 22/11/2017 12:08

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