AIBU to ask MNHQ if we can have a trans discussion section?

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Out of the first 10 threads showing on my AIBU page 4 of them are trans threads. There is seriously no escaping, please can they have their own board?

If MTT really feared male violence, they wouldn't be pushing to make self identification easier.

Self identification allows any man to identity as a women, therefore you'll be no safer in the women's loo than you are in the men's.

There were several women sexually assaulted by a man in the unisex toilets at a nightclub in Bristol at the weekend for example. These issues affect us all.

Obviously any murder is a tragedy that should not have happened.

But for a transwoman in the UK to fear being killed by a man is irrational, in that it is an occurence that is vanishingly rare.

For example, there are no known instances of transwomen being murdered in the UK this year (I accept that it is possible that there are cases that have not been identified as such).

However, there were 137 people killed in work place accidents in 2016/17 according to the HSE whilst the Department of Transport recorded 1,710 road-related fatalities in the same period.

Meanwhile two women a week are killed by a current or former partner in England and Wales.

I know that fear is not rationale (we all know that a car accident is more likely than a plane accident, but can still feel nervous going along the runway) but suspect it is more accurate to say that transwomen fear male violence.

I would estimate half of my male friends have been involved in some form of violence (that I know of), in the form of fights outside a pub, muggings or racist assaults. That outnumbers my female friends. However, almost all of my female friends have experienced sexual harassment and I know a number have been raped. In contrast I know one male friend who was raped but otherwise most have been a bit perplexed and taken aback by #MeToo, as it is so far from their personal experience

The big elephant in this room, of course, is biology. Even in a 1:1 situation, the average man can easily outpower the average woman. This is not true of the average man and the average transwoman, particularly one who is not taking any hormones. Frankly, I wouldn't stand a chance against the vast majority of men, which makes me incredibly vulnerable.

Nobody thinks this. What many of us think is that if there is a problem with males harming other males in any way, including taunting and laughing, then it's up to the males to sort it out, not dump the problem on women, and expect women to sacrifice everything to sort it out.

Quite. The 'solution' is surely to make male areas safer for all male people. Its not only transwomen who are at risk of male violence in male areas. So many different male people are at risk. Disabled males, gay males, smaller males, effeminate males, skinny males, and so on. The answer is never to just put all of these male people in with the female people and hope for the best (with a bit of yelling 'bigot' at any woman who expresses concerns), when all evidence shows this would be hugely detrimental to female people.

I don't get why this is even a 'solution' proposed. Some male people unsafe in male areas because of male violence. Solution, open female areas up to all males. Just..barmy.

You still haven't said why women should ignore their own fear of male violence in order to prioritise the feelings of males who fear male violence.

This is a huge problem, and will never be answered. As there is no answer to it. But women who express concerns are just hysterical and transphobic and do not care about male people who are at risk of male violence. Women generally do care about male violence, in all forms. This does not mean they are willing to compromise their own safety and rights to be 'nice'. Which is always what the demands come down to. If the mens room is unsafe, it is down to men to change that. It is not down to women to open up their spaces to men, thus compromising their own safety. As all that happens then, is the end of sex segregation. Which would be disastrous for women as a group, yes a few women may not mind but statistics show us that on the whole, sex segregation is very much necessary.

Why do you struggle to believe that transwomen are at significant risk of harm in male spaces such as toilets

Because most often individual men don’t assume they can physically overpower another man. Most male-on-male violence is drink fuelled or group violence. The vast majority of men do not want to have sex with other males, trans identified or not. I don’t believe trans identified males are at significant risk of rape from men in male spaces and there doesn’t seem to be any evidence to counter this.

I’m not usually a fan of memes.

Unless they are as blisteringly accurate is this one.

That meme is excellent.

This evening I saw a man on a scooter shove a woman on a scooter after an altercation about him shouting at a cyclist. He was an average man, not a macho muscle type. My DH and I yelled at him and he drove off. I don't believe for a second he would have shoved my DH in the same circumstances whether or not my DH had lipstick on.

“Still doesn't reduce the fear of male violence“

Whatvof women/girls fear of male violence? So having obviously male, usually larger stronger TW have access to female spaces won’t affect women and girls peace of mind? Their just feeling at ease, comfortable or feeling safe?

Reading these threads made me aware of the extreme anti female transactivism being hugely pushed. Just don’t read the threads - I hate MIL threads so usually ignore.