AIBU to ask MNHQ if we can have a trans discussion section?

[Skarossinkplunger]

Out of the first 10 threads showing on my AIBU page 4 of them are trans threads. There is seriously no escaping, please can they have their own board?

If you’re not interested in the topic then don’t open the threads? I find the multiple threads about who has priority for wheelchair spaces on buses pretty tedious so I choose not to read them. Surely that’s the way Internet forums work.

repeating the same hate

Odd because I don't see a lot of hate. I see a great deal of concern from women about various aspects of self-ID, yes. But 'hate'? Very little.

I do quite a bit of work with women's shelters and refuges. I am deeply, deeply concerned about those women, who may stay in abusive relationships, or not be safe in refuges, because of self-ID. Aren't you worried about those women?

Curiosity so what if there's a few threads on the subject. People post on topics they are interested in. You have the option of hiding threads you're not interested in, or even finding another forum to post on if this one doesn't suit you.

Nope. It's a case of wanting to put aside all women who don't agree with trans activists, into a corner. & as a woman who doesn't accept and is disinterested in the contrived 'cis' label, Im not of the mind that control freakery regarding where women can speak, should now be a part of this site.

But if it does go that way then I hope trans activists are shoved off to their own section too. Then never the train shall meet. Bliss.

What is the story with all the trans talk on mn? I’ve never heard it discussed in real life but it seems it’s a big topic on here. Is there a reason for that? or am I just living under a rock?

It's been in the news this week for a couple of reasons so possibly, yes.

It's being proposed that people can self-declare their gender - there's an ongoing consultation - which might mean someone like Ian Brady, who now identifies as Lian, can declare himself female and be moved to a women's prison, with a lot of vulnerable women.

Also, Topshop have just declared they no longer have women's changing rooms.

And a 19 year old transwoman has just been elected Labour women's officer after bullying a lesbian women's officer into resigning from her post in a neighbouring borough.

Hate to disappoint @malcomTucker I don't think I'm 'saving' you.

I am worried about vulnerable women. As I always have been. I've worked in housing and homelessness for decades. I've worked with great trans people, both as clients and staff. All fine. And mostly the homeless women managed the arrangements very sympathetically and practically. They knew who the cool trans women were who they were happy to share with. A lot of vulnerable sex workers, helping each other out. But there were places and people that didn't fit. And that was managed too.

But self ID means if a bloke rocks up at a women's shelter, he gets in, shared showers, rooms and all. If he says he's a women, saying 'no' based on his sex is a hate crime. And if you think this won't happen, you haven't worked with some of the clients I have!

I agree with you OP. They are all the same so I've stopped reading them.

frankly I don't want to keep seeing militant feminists droning on about the same scary trans women But it's not just ''militant'' feminists that this issue affects, it's everyone, women, children, even men. That's why so many people are talking about it and that's why people who aren't aware of it need to be.

frankly I don't want to keep seeing militant feminists droning on about the same scary trans women

Don't fucking read it then!

Very preachy and patronising.

So tell me what the answer is. Succinctly, if that's what's important to you.

Anyone would think women were the ones trying to muscle their way into spaces, rather than the other way around. I know of transwomen who've been living their lives for years, and aren't into trans activists shouting their mouths off as if they speak for all.

The attempted bullying of women is a smokescreen as they can't get what they really want - the wholesale attention of all men. & they never will, hence the scapegoating of women.

It reminds me of the bodysnatchers film - where the snatched open their mouths and only a warped scream comes out

Scream on

It'll be like that all their lives.

Just hide the thread. No drama.

I'm preachy and patronizing but you spend paragraphs not giving a solution to the issues raised.

Do you not understand what women's shelters and refuges are for, or do you just not care?

Why? Are too many women being informed of the actual issues for your liking? Yeah, lets shove all those pesky informed opinions into a corner rather than them being discussed on the most read board on here, that way less people will be informed of whats going on eh? Every thread on trans issues on here, a new poster or lurker learns of stuff that some people want hushed up. So they are useful, even if a bit repetative sometimes. I don't see any moaning about how there are a lot of threads about MILs means we need a MIL section.

You have also, started another trans thread to add to the mix. Given the topic of your moan, this is rather amusing.

Are too many people* being informed of the actual issues for your liking?

Malcolm doesn't care. So no one else should.

It's a case of wanting to put aside all women who don't agree with trans activists

So basically, more silencing of people who disagree with TAs. As if there is not enough of that going around already.

I suspect part of the reason trans threads get so much attention is that mumsnet pretty much led the way in allowing discussion about this topic, other places are allwing discussion now though, but MN was among the first and also is the largest by a longshot really. Also, the users are predominately female and as such, are more likely to be conrecned about the eroding of womens rights and erasure of women thats going on right now. Anyone expressing a view that varies from 'biology is irrelevant' has been silenced for ages now, its their time to actually be able to discuss things and express their concerns. People who supportall TAs say are able to express their opinions also of course. Sadly, not many people seem to. They prefer to yell 'transphobe' and run away. Occasionally someone will engage beyond that, but it still tends to be of the 'you are all nasty bigots, shut up' variety that has dominated trans discussions for way too long, rather than actual reasonable thought out posts.

Your equating lack of information with disagreeing it's an issue is a fallacy.

I don't think so somehow, given on each thread there are more people saying MN has educated them on a topic that they didn't even know was happening. How many people know about the proposed changes to the GRC in real life? More now, thanks to the Times daring to report on it and other papers starting to follow suit. But before hand, it was going to be pushed through with no resistance at all. More people talking means more people knowing. Generally. And I think this is why a few seem to be getting rather irrate. As some have worked extremely hard to silence any dissenting voices up until now, and suddely, screaming 'terf' at people who do not buy it all, is not working anymore.

So yes, I do think that its a lack of information in many cases. A complete unwillingness to see the 'other side' with others. Some genuinely do think there is no difference between males and females and so not think sex segregation is neccesary for whatever reason. And some won't care fullstop, which is also fine.

But 3 trans threads in 3 days is hardly overkill tbh. If there were 3 an hour, I could see your point.