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To hate the now common usage of "santa"

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Creambun2 · 17/11/2017 19:04

Just this really. Santa is a vulgar Americanism.

What was wrong with father Christmas ffs.

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Julie8008 · 19/11/2017 17:28

Father Christmas was the obstetrician at the birth of Jesus, he delivered Christmas to the world. As England is a Christian country that makes the 'Father of Christmas' the correct terminology when speaking the Queens English rather than vulgar Americanisms.

Santa is the spirit of Satan who is purged over Halloween in the annual pumpkin carving ritual. Only to return on 'Black Friday', and bring greed back to the world. He then spends a few weeks finding all the naughty children. And as the winter solstice approaches he dons a red coat and beard disguise so he can reward all the rich children for their avarice.

After we have reveled in gluttony and sloth for a few days we set off firework explosions to remind Santa to go back across the river Styx to the underworld and prepare to crucify the baby and his chocolate loving pet rabbit that Father Christmas delivered.

HamSandWitches · 19/11/2017 17:29

I'm a Geordie and said Santa for as long as I can remember, late 70s

MarDhea · 19/11/2017 17:33

Ludog I see your Sshthevens's Day and raise you Wran's Day...! ShockGrin

Garlicansapphire · 19/11/2017 17:40

Well its not Amercian - it comes from the Dutch 'SinterKlaus' and is linked to the traditions of Saint Nicholas.

'The modern Santa Claus grew out of traditions surrounding the historical Saint Nicholas, a fourth-century Greek bishop and gift-giver of Myra, the British figure of Father Christmas and the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas (himself also based on Saint Nicholas). Some maintain Santa Claus also absorbed elements of the Germanic god Wodan, who was associated with the pagan midwinter event of Yule and led the Wild Hunt, a ghostly procession through the sky.'

MyNewBearTotoro · 19/11/2017 17:41

I hate the term Santa as well. He will always be Father Christmas to me.

GoingIn · 19/11/2017 17:44

Julie8008's got it

Thegiantofillinois · 19/11/2017 17:48

Sion Corn in Welsh.

MunchMunch · 19/11/2017 18:11

I’m in the North East (few of us on here!) and I’m almost 40, always been Santa/Santie to me and it was to my parents and everyone else I know. I think the only time you’d hear Father Christmas being used round here (very rare) is in the more affluent areas or by people who are a bit —trying to be—posher than us commoners! Grin

MunchMunch · 19/11/2017 18:11

Strike through fail!

thegreylady · 19/11/2017 18:21

Santa means Saint
Claus is short for Nicklaus
Your man is our Christmas Saint...
The only Father really relevant to Christmas is the one “ which art in Heaven”.

gillybeanz · 19/11/2017 18:25

Santa is also an anagram of Satan, it was always Father Christmas in our house.
If you correct them as small children it becomes normal to use FC if that's what you want, as we did.
Santa is what some people use to describe the bearded bloke in a red suit.
Although this was green until Coca Cola bought the rights/ insisted on him being red, apparently. Might not be true though Grin

Picklesandpies · 19/11/2017 18:38

Totally agree OP. I can’t stand it either. It just sounds a bit rough and unchristmassy to me!

whyareusernamessodifficult · 19/11/2017 18:46

I don’t have a particular opinion either way but I do think insisting on Father Christmas sounds quite Hyacinth Bucket.

gillybeanz · 19/11/2017 19:06

Why Hyancith Bucket?

I'm as common as muck, no airs or graces, an call a spade a spade
Or in this case Father Christmas, Father Christmas.
I'm not bothered who says Santa, but for my kids it was going to be FC not Santa.
I think they pick it up from what you say, not from needing to be constantly corrected.

squoosh · 19/11/2017 19:21

Coca Cola 'inventing' the red robed Santa is actually a myth, although obviously one the Coca Cola corporation are happy to perpetuate. Images of Santa in his jaunty red suit were common before Coke ads were a thing.

squoosh · 19/11/2017 19:23

It just sounds a bit rough and unchristmassy to me!

I'm puzzled as to how 'Santa' sounds rough. Next someone will be saying makes them physically ill.

MrsDoyleFallingOutTheWindow · 19/11/2017 19:29

Eeh, that Santa, rough as a badger's arse he is. Always on the Tennants and rollies.

Picklesandpies · 19/11/2017 19:39

I mean it sounds sort of ‘hard’ - just doesn’t give me that warm and fuzzy Christmas feeling.

ludog · 19/11/2017 19:41

@MarDhea Ludog I see your Sshthevens's Day and raise you Wran's Day...!
I loved going on the wren boys....trick or treating for culchies! Grin

MaidenMotherCrone · 19/11/2017 20:20

I've just had to apologise to my adult DC for bringing them up saying Father Christmas.

I had absolutely no idea it was a middle class thing. I only ever heard FC, at home, school and out and about. Santa was a thing on TV and in songs ( I honestly thought that was his official name and here in My part of Wales (not Welsh speaking) we called him FC)

My poor DC, god forbid they'd be mistaken for aspirational middle class. I've let them down Grin

MsHarry · 19/11/2017 20:25

Santa means Saint, as in St Nicholas, what's vulgar about that?

EastMidsMummy · 19/11/2017 20:43

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3AphnJLbE

PelvicFloorClenchReminder · 19/11/2017 20:46

FFS this was a daily mail bait the whole time, wasn't it

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Julie8008 · 19/11/2017 20:50

Whilst Jesus represents the religious meaning of Christmas, Santa Clause represents the secular aspects. By shifting peoples attention away from seeing Jesus as the symbol of Christmas and to worship a secular symbol instead, he turns people away from faith.

Santa doesn't reward people for good behavior with absolution for their sins and an eternity in heaven. He rewards people with material goods. But Jesus told us, craving materialistic wealth is wrong (Matthew 6:19-21). People should be nice for niceness itself, not just for their own benefit.

Charity is one of the seven virtues of Christianity. According to the bible, giving to those in need is important to receive salvation. But when Santa gives presents to the poor, rich people will no longer feel the necessity to do the same. Rich people are already a main source of souls for Satan (Marc 10:23-25). But by discouraging rich people further to be charitable, it becomes even more likely that their souls will become Satan's after judgment day.

ShatnersBassoon · 19/11/2017 20:51

Santa is also an anagram of Satan

Grin