To think suspending the teacher was extreme?

[LouBlue1507]

A maths teacher has been suspended, probably going to be sacked for accidently calling a trans child a girl whilst referring 'well done girls' to a small group of girls. He apologised for his mistake, but weeks later the parents complained.

I don't think he's helped himself by going to the press and 'This Morning' but for a class of pupils to lose a good teacher over this?

It's obvious that the majority of teachers need training on transgender, gender fluid etc. It's not fair that they are thrown in the deep end with no training what so ever. I bet most don't even know what half of it even means!

Yes it seems he did say it says marriage is between a man and a woman in the bible. It seems like he was repeatedly and pointedly pushing his religious beliefs though to the point the boy felt picked on.

Personal views of specific groups of people are not appropriate to share IMO whether it's connected to religion or not.

I agree with that. If it’s at all possible. Because so many beliefs directly conflict with one another.

The Venn diagram that links women against transgenderism and evangelical Christians together is an interesting one. May as well adopt complimentarianism and chain yourselves to the kitchen sink.

HangingRock He said that according to the Bible, marriage is between a woman and a man. This is actually true.

Yes I've said that above.

He repeatedly and deliberately did it then took his wee pal on TV to condemn homosexuality and gender dysphoria (which are two very different things). He's a knob. The Schofe is a legend.

If it had been a slip of the tongue then yes a mistake but he sat on This Morning constantly referring to the boy as her and kept calling him her throughout despite being picked up by the presenters!

He's not being penalised for his beliefs.

He's being penalised for sharing them in an inappropriate context

'Accidentally'

The teacher could have just said "well done, students," but he made a choice not to.

48% of trans people under 26 have attempted suicide. [https://www.samaritans.org/branches/brighton-hove-and-district-samaritans/our-support-transpride-2017]

I suspect that God would much rather we were kind to each other than to get hung up on each other's genitals. If someone's behavior toward another makes it more likely that person will want to end their own life, then they aren't acting like Christ. He didn't judge. He was kind. He connected with others who society considered too low.

It's a mixed school so not like he was getting into trouble for addressing the whole class as girls without thinking. If he was repeatedly referring to him as a girl it does sound a bit pointed. It's not a faith school so no reason for him to be pushing his religious beliefs in maths lessons. I'd like to hear the school's side but they can't share it because of the impending disciplinary. (Unlike him going to the Daily Mail and banging on about liberal leftists.)

48% of trans people under 26 have attempted suicide

I think this figure is the tip of the iceberg.

I'm a gender critcal feminist who believes in biology but even I reckon the suspension is justified. Obv a lot more to it than one mistake. Sounds like a total refusal to refer to the child as he. Whatever his personal beliefs he needs to put that to one side and not go out of his way to call the kid a girl. Which is bullying to be honest.

He’s a religious, homophobic dick who has no place in a classroom. Good riddance.

Misgendering a pupil is being unprofessional and bringing his belief into the classroom

But he is in trouble for NOT misgendering, as it is expected he does so. That is the issue. He is trouble for accurate gendering. Or sexing really, but that's not a word that sounds great for teachers.

Misgendering is when you call someone by the sex that they have specifically requested they do not want you to use.

Calling someone by their biological "born" sex is misgendering if they don't want you to do it!

There was no need for him to repeatedly refer to his biological sex in a mixed school. The parents said they wouldn't have complained if it was just the one occasion. Yet he went to the DM claiming it was about one episode of him saying "Well done girls."

No, not to me. I actually agree it sounds like he should be in trouble.

I think it's important we don't all fall blindly down this particular rabbit hole of newspeak though.

You can’t opt out. You have to actively profess your allegiance to a belief you don’t uphold

This is precisely what I find so insidious. As I've said, I'd prefer all personal beliefs to be left outside school, but that's not enough for some. What they want - no, demand - is for folk to cast off their own beliefs and publicly adopt theirs instead

There also seems to be a level of fanaticism building up around the trans issue which isn't immediately noticeable elsewhere and I have to wonder why that is ...

But that doesn't give me the right to impose my views on a child who has a diagnosis that contradicts them

Diagnosis? You're already half way down the hole if you think this is diagnosed by anyone.

Where in the bible does it say it's a sin to call a girl a boy? O for a girl to call herself a boy?

It doesn't. He's just another prick using religion to falsely justify his bigotry.

hotbutteredcrumpetsandtea

Out of interest, how easy do you think it is to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria? How long do you think it takes? How much time does someone have to live in their preferred gender in order to be taken seriously? How many agencies do you think have to be involved? How much do you think a young person's mental health suffers during this process? How many times a month do you think that gender dysphoric young people express suicidal ideation? How can you condone a man who bullies a vulnerable child in an awful situation because he thinks God wants him to?