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To think suspending the teacher was extreme?

523 replies

LouBlue1507 · 14/11/2017 09:25

A maths teacher has been suspended, probably going to be sacked for accidently calling a trans child a girl whilst referring 'well done girls' to a small group of girls. He apologised for his mistake, but weeks later the parents complained.

I don't think he's helped himself by going to the press and 'This Morning' but for a class of pupils to lose a good teacher over this?

It's obvious that the majority of teachers need training on transgender, gender fluid etc. It's not fair that they are thrown in the deep end with no training what so ever. I bet most don't even know what half of it even means!

OP posts:
TheFallenMadonna · 18/11/2017 13:15

Should be "her".

CecilyP · 18/11/2017 13:16

I have never come across a child who has just woken up one morning and decided to change their pronouns. Have you?

I am not that teacher, but that is a real situation happening to a friend of mine. And she does find it hard to remember what names and pronouns to use. And, as far as I know, has never been on mumsnet.

TheFallenMadonna · 18/11/2017 13:19

I said myself it is sometimes hard to remember. I have got it wrong. I just missed out some quote marks too!! This teacher didn't forget to refuse to use pronounsat all. He did it deliberately. The "girls" thing he apologised for, I believe.

TheFallenMadonna · 18/11/2017 13:22

And i'm sure the children your friends teach didn't just wake up and change their name! From her POV maybe, but when I have been told that X will now be known as Y, there has generally been stuff going on in have been unaware of...

Datun · 18/11/2017 13:25

Datun, so, in my example, as a kind person, would you refer to the student as "she", in front of her and the whole class?

Ha ha. That made me laugh. Do I have the courage of my convictions?

Would my natural empathy be overcome by my standpoint?

If I was me? The gender critical, feminist me?

I think I would do what he did and use the person’s name.

It’s a very odd position for women to find themselves in. We are socialised to be kind.
I advocate kindness.

Long term it’s this kindness that is getting us into trouble.

In a way I’m very glad that this particular teacher has hit the headlines.

It’s started a discussion on here. It’s all over the press.

People are talking.

Quite apart from the issue of confused children, the trans-ideology are demanding rights that directly conflict with those of women.

It’s completely impossible to accommodate them both.

And transactivists do not want people talking. Hence #nodebate.

Normal people. Kind people. Parents. Because the ideology does not stand up to scrutiny.

Dispense with the bonkers part of the ideology so we can address why so many children are becoming gender dysphoria.

Because if we can’t talk about it, we can’t help them.

CecilyP · 18/11/2017 13:44

And i'm sure the children your friends teach didn't just wake up and change their name! From her POV maybe, but when I have been told that X will now be known as Y, there has generally been stuff going on in have been unaware of...

I suppose for one of them, that could well be true, then the second pupil was just influenced by the first.

CecilyP · 18/11/2017 13:50

In a way I’m very glad that this particular teacher has hit the headlines

I think it's a shame that it was this particular teacher because, with the religious slant, his point of view is very easy to dismiss. He was also very nervous in the interview and couldn't really express himself very well. Then that strident woman with him did him no favours.

Datun · 18/11/2017 14:05

CecilyP

Actually, yes of course, you’re right. Him being a Christian is muddying the waters and undermining his credibility somewhat.

In terms of a previous poster who asked about changing pronouns on a whim. Yes, that’s definitely happening. 10 girls have come out - all in the same class at St Paul’s School.

TheFallenMadonna · 18/11/2017 14:15

Do you think, at SPGS, it's well adjusted girls just acting on a whim?

Datun · 18/11/2017 14:45

TheFallenMadonna

God knows. As I said, most girls who transition are either lesbian, autistic or have past sexual trauma.

It’s a little difficult to believe that there are 10 girls, all at once, with one or other of those.

Social contagion is a recognised phenomenon though. And I should imagine that was largely responsible for at least some of them.

BatShite · 18/11/2017 15:47

Also: puberty blockers are reversible and surgery is never, ever performed on anyone under 18.

That is a lie about blockers. Surgery is not performed on under 18s in this country though. Which is why the leader of the pressure group mermaids took her child to Thailand for SRS, underage.

Back to blockers, in theory they are reversible. In practice they are not. Once on b lockers 97% of kids go onto cross sex hormones. Where if not on blockers, 80%+ of gender questioning kids 'grow out of' their dysphoria. So if blockers were truly reversible, we should be seeing 80%+ of children desisting when on blockers.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/11/2017 16:48

parents are directed to the pressure group 'Mermaids' who tell them its a choice between blockers or death

BatShite, please tell me that's not literally true, at least where children are concerned ... please?

Because I'm struggling with the concept that it's really come to this Hmm

BoneyBackJefferson · 18/11/2017 16:51

sagamartha
they just come on MN and say it instead

I find myself coming back to this ^ that you put a line through, and it is something of a contradiction that it (to me) infers that you also find this unpalatable, in that a teacher (anyone really) is able to something that goes against the grain.

surely there should be some forum where this can and should be discussed with no (legal) repercussions for having an opinion that doesn't match the current agenda being pushed?

BoneyBackJefferson · 18/11/2017 16:51

*say something

Oliversmumsarmy · 18/11/2017 17:12

God knows. As I said, most girls who transition are either lesbian, autistic or have past sexual trauma

So not really born in the wrong body which I thought being transsexual was

BatShite · 18/11/2017 17:41

BatShite, please tell me that's not literally true, at least where children are concerned ... please?

It is true. And its widely supported as most people do not know about it.

As far as the public know blockers (which are actually fucking chemo drugs, certainly not harmless) are reversible and harmless. When the truth is the total opposite.

BatShite · 18/11/2017 17:43

Sorry I didn't see the bolded bit. But yes, NHS directs parents to mermaids, who give out fake and manipulated suicide stats and tell parents their child will kill themselves if not supported in 'transition'. Mermaids also encourage parents to buy hormones off the internet, I believe. They definitely encourage the use of chest binders (which also do a shitload of damage)

Mermaids do not HELP parents or kids. they scare them into transition. Its fucking wrong.

BatShite · 18/11/2017 17:50

www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/

Info on fake/misleading suicide stats.

Floellabumbags · 18/11/2017 18:30

'Mermaids also encourage parents to buy hormones off the internet, I believe

Your belief stems from where?

Datun · 18/11/2017 18:32

flo

It’s true. I would have to dig up the actual paragraph. But I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

DrWibley · 18/11/2017 18:38

Hormone blockers were recently available to under 18's in the UK if they had £50 and a Skype appointment. That GP is being looked at, or at least they were. They may be practising again.

DrWibley · 18/11/2017 18:40

"Helen Webberley, a GP in Wales, has set up a private gender clinic and recently started treating children, a “handful” of whom she has started on cross-sex hormones, including a 12-year-old."

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/transgender-nhs-doctor-prescribing-sex-hormones-children-uk

Datun · 18/11/2017 18:42

oliver

So not really born in the wrong body which I thought being transsexual was

‘Being born in the wrong body’ is a sort of soundbite to explain gender dysphoria.

Like being ‘born fat’ when you are anorexic.

There is no science to suggest you can have the brain of a woman in the body of a man.

Brains are plastic. Science cannot identify the sex of a brain (apart from the weight, and you will never find that distinction ‘swapping sexes’) . They can, however, identify, whether you have a disorder that suggests you concentrate too much on your own body image. The brain being plastic, can make certain parts thicken.

For instance, the brains of taxidrivers, who have learnt ‘the knowledge’, are different to those who haven’t.

No one is denying that trans people have a disorder. But to suggest that this is some kind of brain in the wrong body, is ridiculous.

Five seconds talking to a tranactivist will show you. They come across as the worst type of misogynistic, entitled men

Even a homosexual transsexual, who has genuine gender dysphoria, has no real idea of what it’s like navigating this world as a woman.

Screepy · 18/11/2017 18:43

Mermaids remind me of the child-catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. At the last family LGBT event, they were spotted giving out sweets to children that spoke to them! They also had a puppy for them to pet apparently! I can't believe in children's charity would think that was a good idea! Shock

Datun · 18/11/2017 18:44

DrWibley

What she did is sterilise a 12-year-old based on their own dissatisfaction of expected gender stereotypes.

She is currently under investigation and cannot practice.

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