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Muslim Christmas Advert

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IHATEPeppaPig · 13/11/2017 09:56

Apparently people are outraged by the Tesco Christmas advert featuring Muslim women exchanging gifts and it’s causing daily mail readers to implode.

It literally is 2 seconds of the advert and is women in hijabs handing over a Tesco’s bag - Tesco’s tag line is #everyonewelcome

I’m not a person of faith and I celebrate Christmas why is it seemingly unacceptable for others to celebrate it? AIBU to be annoyed at the outrage and think most of the people who are livid about it are probably hypocrites who won’t go to church on Christmas anyway?

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valuerangeweetabixandmilk · 13/11/2017 11:45

whatwould
Jesus is in the Koran but not ss the son of God therefore to celebrate his birth would not be a festive event.
It's a good idea of Tesco to play out to other religions whom may avoid the buying-probably to increase takings. As a non-muslim I think it's a bit wierd but as a muslim I think I'd find it offensive. Where are the inclusive tesco adverts during Eid? Exactly as it wouldn't increase profits.

sagamartha · 13/11/2017 11:46

I think it's very clever as it has got everyone talking about the Tesco advert - fab job from whoever thought of including this

Yes - the advertising agency knew that there would be some people complaining about it and it would generate publicity.

It's a great idea. Make an advert that shows groups that some people have an issue with in a positive, inclusive setting and then watch the inevitable 'PC gorn mad, how dare they' backlash - and all the positive publicity.

I wonder what they'll do next year to annoy some people and generate headlines?

mrsaxlerose · 13/11/2017 11:46

I celebrate Christmas but my Christmas has nothing to do with religion. Its about getting the family together and sending time all under the one roof. Growing up in the seventies two family's moved into the street I grew up on. One Muslim and the other Hindu. They had young children our age. As well bought up children do we brought them into our "gang" and we all became firm lifetime friends. When it came to Christmas their mum and dads realised that we were all getting excited about Christmas, going to parties etc and their kids were "missing out". They decided to "celebrate "Christmas. They had a tree, presents and a turkey dinner. In return we celebrated Eid and Diwali with them . We learned a lot ,Made some mistakes along the way ,like sharing lunch with a teenager on Ramadan Oops . If only the world was bought up in that street wouldn't the world be a better place?

1DAD2KIDS · 13/11/2017 11:49

Very cynical. No doubt correct

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 13/11/2017 11:49

I bet you've managed to say exactly what those DM commentators are thinking....

Well that's what I suddenly realised that I had just put forward their point of view very well and I was like ah shit what if people think I think like that.

It's funny I've become prouder of not being fully British over the last few years. But then I was always closer to my grandparents roots. So maybe people like the DM commenters make me feel less British cos their intolerance over things is so far removed from their point of view. I really don't like their idea of being British or as you say one of us.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 13/11/2017 11:49

I'm a cynic, and I think that advert isn't about Christmas, it's all about selling more stuff to more people.

I honestly don't care who celebrates what.

LinoleumBlownapart · 13/11/2017 11:49

I must say I haven't seen any Asian Christian women wear that type of scarf. It's probably happened, but not common

Most modern Christians don't wear them anymore, but it is quite common in in eastern Coptic or orthodox Christian communities. My son was at school with a few Coptic Christian children from places like Palestine, Egypt and Ethopia. All their mothers had headscarves exactly like Muslim women from their countries. One of his friend's mothers wore a traditional headscarf and a cross necklace,
that would have caused a few daily mail readers to implode, and knowing her that was most likely her intention Grin

1DAD2KIDS · 13/11/2017 11:49

OhNoFuckADuck

expatinscotland · 13/11/2017 11:50

Some people are twats who want to get offended by everything.

Anatidae · 13/11/2017 11:50

I’m an atheist.

We still do Christmas, in the sense of presents and general family togetherness.

“Family engages in three days of togetherness and present giving despite not having a rigid belief in the Nativity” would apply as much to us as to a Muslim family. Probably more to be honest, at least they recognise the big J as a prophet.

Merry Xmas everyone, crack on with your turkey and be nice to your neighbours - seems an ok message to me

LittleLionMansMummy · 13/11/2017 11:50

Considering that this thread is unanimously saying what a ridiculous thing to get your knickers in a twist about, I'm intrigued to know exactly who in the UK population the Daily Mail claim to represent. It really is a hateful, bile filled old rag that isn't even fit to mop up toilet spill.

JonSnowsWife · 13/11/2017 11:52

AIBU to be annoyed at the outrage and think most of the people who are livid about it are probably hypocrites who won’t go to church on Christmas anyway?

YNBU.

Christmas is originally anyway.

JonSnowsWife · 13/11/2017 11:52

*originally pagan.

Hoppinggreen · 13/11/2017 11:53

little probably quite a few of our parents sadly ( not all I know)
Certainly my fil

TonicandLime · 13/11/2017 11:54

Its just an advert!

Cant abide any religion or peoples ideas about their imaginary Woo stuff and why they feel the need to impress their beliefs on others.

Why can't people just enjoy a nice family festival which is mostly meaningless (religion wise) these days anyway

1DAD2KIDS · 13/11/2017 11:54

expatinscotland being offended is the latest craze popular with all across the political and cultural spectrum. At least it's a trend that everyone can (and is) joining in on.

Rebeccaslicker · 13/11/2017 11:55

That's what I thought, Linoleum - there are some communities where Christian women do wear headscarves.

In this case I suspect Tesco is simply trying to say "everyone must shop here!" - but it's an interesting view on the complainants, who are rushing to assume that brown skin + headscarf = Muslim

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 13/11/2017 11:57

Christmas is still largely a pagan festival anyway - adapted from the old Midwinter Day feast. All the holly and Ivy, greenery, Yule log bit, is of pagan origin. In Sweden they still call Christmas Jul, or at least I've had Chr. Cards wishing me a god Jul.

We lived for many years in Muslim Oman, where I was never aware of anyone being offended by Christmas trees etc. In the hotels - rather I got the impression from the students I taught English to, that they enjoyed them. (Couldn't say the same for Saudi, where I gather you couldn't even buy a card, let alone a tree.)

One memorable Christmas the Royal Oman Police even lent a ceremonial camel, for Father Christmas to arrive on at the English speaking school. He told the kids he'd had to leave his reindeer at the airport because they didn't like the sand!

seagreengirl · 13/11/2017 11:57

There will always be morons

This...why get in a state about it, there are always moaners about everything, its what moaners do. In my experience Nadiya is very popular, and everyone I know loves her programs.

Likewise actual shopping at Christmas, there are all sorts of different and diverse families loading up their trollies with Christmas food.

That's because it's the REAL world, not the Daily Mail online world.

sagamartha · 13/11/2017 11:59

being offended is the latest craze popular with all across the political and cultural spectrum

Grin

People who say they are offended by this advert are usually the first to dismiss other people and call them 'snowflakes' when people are offended by things they agree with.

JonSnowsWife · 13/11/2017 12:01

One memorable Christmas the Royal Oman Police even lent a ceremonial camel, for Father Christmas to arrive on at the English speaking school. He told the kids he'd had to leave his reindeer at the airport because they didn't like the sand!

Brilliant GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER! What a lovely thing to do! Smile 🎅

QuiQuaiQuod · 13/11/2017 12:01

I thought the problem with the Tesco ad was that they bang on about how they have turkey for everybody but don't sell halal turkeys, so the presence of hijab-wearing (so probably quite religious) Muslims in the ad is just tokenism and window-dressing.

well, tesco and john Lewis have got the publicity they wanted.

But yes, everyone is a brexiteer/racist /daily mail reader. Hmm

OnionShite · 13/11/2017 12:02

Most modern Christians don't wear them anymore, but it is quite common in in eastern Coptic or orthodox Christian communities. My son was at school with a few Coptic Christian children from places like Palestine, Egypt and Ethopia. All their mothers had headscarves exactly like Muslim women from their countries. One of his friend's mothers wore a traditional headscarf and a cross necklace

Really? I've met scarf wearing Christians from those communities, but it's draped loosely around the woman's head rather than being tightly fitted and hair covering like a hijab. The former is more of a regional than a religious thing. I suppose as you say it's rather uncommon these days.

It's pretty obviously meant to be a Muslim pairing though: I mean, there have been instances of a handful of ultra-Orthodox Jewish women wearing the burqa, but clearly if an advert showed an image of a burqa clad woman, the intention wouldn't be to portray her as Jewish.

I just imagine the ad agency and Tesco sitting there brainstorming and realising there's shitloads of people out there who don't naturally celebrate Christmas and trying to seize the opportunity and shift more turkeys and tinsel.

Lots of them do though! Also I don't think mince pies are halal. That's another gap in the market for someone if I'm right!

VodkaPenne · 13/11/2017 12:03

I am Christian.

Lived in a Muslim country.

Celebrated Eid. Celebrated Christmas. Celebrated Halloween. Celebrated Diwali. Celebrated anything pretty much 😂

Pretty disgusted that Tesco can’t manage to supply halal turkey though. I read they are being boycotted because of that too... but how are Tesco going to know who is boycotting them because they want them to supply halal turkey, and who is boycotting because they want Muslims excluded? 🤷🏽‍♀️

OnionShite · 13/11/2017 12:04

Although actually linoleum I see that you said the women wear scarves like the Muslim women in their communities, rather than like the women in the advert. Perhaps you mean the same loosely draped scarves I do, as Muslim women from Ethiopia, Egypt and Palestine don't necessarily wear the sort in the advert. I shouldn't have assumed!

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