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Dispute with Neighbours

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 11:24

I'm hoping you can you tell me if I'm being unreasonable or not. This is going to be a long thread, so thank you if you manage to read all of this.

Our small garden backs on to the back of other houses and is divided with a 5 foot high wall. Along the top of the wall grows ivy and other plants and gives our gardens more privacy of another 2 feet or so. There is also a tree from another garden which gives a bit more privacy.

However, we can still partially see the bathroom window of the garden behind us and we often see people going to the toilet. Sometimes these people are naked, but as their glass is a bit frosted we can't see everything in detail. We have noticed people staring at us from that window and on two occasions a naked man has waved at my daughter from that window. I didn't complain because If I complained about everything weird or antisocial that happened in our neighbourhood I'd be on the phone every day. I have complained to the police before about drugs, violence and racial hatred, very extreme things. My daughter comes inside the house if she sees anyone at the window.

So, a year after my daughter we saw a naked man at the window she wrote on our shed wall in chalk 'Put Some Clothes on You Weirdo'. We left it there. The tree and plants have now grown more, so the neighbours wouldn't have been able to see it, until last week.

Last week I came home to find all the plants and ivy hacked down and hanging into my garden. My garden was a mess. Yesterday I went to try and put it back up and immediately the neighbour came to his bathroom window (without clothes) and started aggressively telling me I have to remove all the plants because it would make the wall fall down. The wall is at least 120 years old and shows no signs at all of falling down, it's in perfect condition, I told him this and he said I have to get someone to come and cut it down. He also said "You need to scrub the message off your wall, because you can get done for that". He said the message was obviously aimed at them.

My question is, do I have to remove the plants which give us more privacy? And do I have to remove any chalk messages on our shed wall? I don't think I do, but I'm hoping you can give me more advice on this or if I need to do anything.

I doubt very much that the neighbours care about their landlord's wall. Their garden is a tip filled with beer cans and cigarette ends and they spend their summers playing loud aggressive music, fighting and swearing. Just to give you some idea of what they're like.

Thanks for your help.

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:04

I've just been out to check where I'd put trellis and noticed that none of the ivy and plants are attached to his side of the wall now, they are held up by a large tree that grows in another neighbour's garden and hangs over about 4 gardens. I'm surprised he doesn't have an issue with the true which is the main reason his view into our garden is obscured.

I'm leaving it as it is and since I've reattached the ivy to the tree he can no longer see anything written on the wall. I'm leaving it at that I'll continue ignoring his window as I have for the last year.

I didn't complain about him. I've chosen to ignore him. He's made the issue here.

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:05

The ivy grows over all the garden walls, at least 6 neighbours have it as far as I can see. It looks nice. The wall is very sturdy and strong and looks like it won't be falling down in my lifetime.

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:06

*with the tree, not true.

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:07

He is free to cut anything down his side. I'm free to grow anything I like my side. No problems there.

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:10

He told me I have to cut everything down my side. I'm not going to do that and neither do I have to.

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DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 12/11/2017 14:18

I haven’t RTFT.

I would fucking pissed off if my neighbours objected to me being naked in my own bathroom when I have a frosted window! It’s beyond weird to be bothered by the frosted outline of a naked figure in someone else’s house. And him waving - how long could he see your daughter apparently looking at him?! I’d probably wave if I could see someone blatantly staring into my house. Ok probably not when naked!

No idea about the wall and trellis stuff.

LisaMed1 · 12/11/2017 14:24

LakieLady The neighbour wants to have everything cut down, even the stuff not on the wall. He seems to be very against having anything to block their view of his window. If the neighbour's garden is neglected as it sounds then it is unlikely that the structural integrity of the wall will bother them too much.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira If I realised I was being watched while naked I may wave sarcastically but I would then put up blinds and not cut down plants that blocked the view.

NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:26

I've never objected to him being naked. I've never spoken to him before, until this weekend. The first conversation I've had with him was yesterday when he came leaned out of his window naked and shouted at me angrily that I need to chop down all he plants in my own garden. He can be as naked as he likes and I can grow as many plants as I like so I don't have to see him naked. What I object to being told I need to remove the plants. Sorry, if I didn't make that clear before.

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PencilsInSpace · 12/11/2017 14:34

If the wall belongs wholly to his/his landlord's property you do not have the right to grow any plants up it or fix anything to it. As others have said you can put posts and a trellis up on your side.

If the wall belongs wholly to your property you can grow what you like up it. He can still cut back to the boundary. You would be liable if the wall fell and caused injury or damage.

If it's jointly owned with the boundary running down the middle you can each grow what you like on your side. If he is saying the wall is being made unsafe by the ivy, ask to see the survey he has had done.

I made a sign for your shed Smile

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loveka · 12/11/2017 14:37

If it is 'his' wall he has the right to ask you not to grow plants on it. Again, bitter experience with the neighbour from hell who is th reason I am moving house.

This is why you need to establish who owns the wall.

Sayyouwill · 12/11/2017 14:41

How often is he naked in his bathroom? From your description it’s as if he spends 90% of his time stood naked up against the window.

Also, you used someone else’s plants and trees for privacy. They were not yours to decide whether they can stay or go. Perhaps his sudden interest in the wall was because his landlord came round and mentioned that the ivy could destroy the wall and it was his responsibility to ensure they wall remained structurally sound. Neighbour then decided to take action agains said wall and discovered a very obvious passive aggressive message written which was obviously about him. Your daughter watched this man long enough for him to respond (waving) and then commented on the event by writing on your shed. You’d have to be thick as pig shit not to realise the message was related to this incident and aimed at this man. He was also aware that she saw him and he waved, then she wrote a message aimed at him.... but you’re still blaming him?
I don’t get it.

You don’t have to lock yourself in the house to avoid looking at a naked man, you can just not look. He may not want a blind and he does not have to get one because you said so.
Youve fixed the problem now anyway which you should have done at the time.

Nicknacky · 12/11/2017 14:45

You are being really unreasonable, calling him a pervert and a weirdo. I walk about my house naked, there's nothing perverted about that.

It's you with the weird issue with nakedness, not your neighbour.

LisaMed1 · 12/11/2017 14:48

Nicknacky I don't have a problem with people being naked in their own home. I don't want to look, though, and perhaps that's the thing that has upset the OP - that the barrier that meant it was easier for her not to look has gone.

It's all about freedom. You have the freedom to be naked in your own home, but others have the freedom not to look.

Maelstrop · 12/11/2017 14:51

Land registry: pay a few quid to find out the owner if you want to cbuy tact them. Google earth helped us work out who the neighbour was at the back of the garden, we wanted to change the fencing as it wasn't secure enough for the dog.

NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:52

I've just been through all information I have on my house and there is nothing in writing about any boundary walls. I bought the house a long time ago and there were no home information packs back then. I've always assumed the garden walls were shared property.

The ivy and other plants do not start growing from my garden. If he wants them gone he would need to speak to whoever is growing them.

Thanks for the sign Pencil.

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NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 14:56

I also walk about my house naked occasionally, but I have curtains and I don't wave at people outside when I'm naked. That was why we considered it a bit weird. My daughter just told me that he knocked and got her attention, then waved. Her response to this was normal and funny.

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OliviaBenson · 12/11/2017 14:58

It should be on the deeds on the plan op?

I've no idea why you are getting a hard time here. Your neighbours sound like weirdos!

NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 15:01

The man does not care about the wall. His house and garden are a complete tip. This is not a normal, nice man but a difficult, drunken aggressive one.

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Nicknacky · 12/11/2017 15:02

My neighbours opposit stare in my living room, they are in a flat so are in a vantage point. I have waved at them when I get totally fed up of it. However, it's my choice not to used my blind (I have a high hedge so people walking by can't see in)

And op, now you are saying he deliberately chapped to get her attention. Bullshit. You are just adding things on to get people to agree he's a pervert.

NameChanger22 · 12/11/2017 15:02

Thanks Olivia - I think it's because I posted in AIBU.

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Nicknacky · 12/11/2017 15:02

And now he is drunk and aggressive! Love it.

Foxysoxy01 · 12/11/2017 15:02

How do you know he was actually waving?
He could have been swatting a fly or demisting a mirror etc etc.

If the window is frosted I'm not sure how you could possibly tell if he was waving.

You have to understand it is perfectly acceptable for a person to be naked in their own bathroom in their own home.
But I do think you should call the police and let us know what they say.

LakieLady · 12/11/2017 15:03

It isn't usually spelt out, but shown on the plan. There will be little T-shaped marks along the owner's side if the wall is the responsibility of just one party. If there are no such marks, the assumption is that responsibility is shared between both parties.

Foxysoxy01 · 12/11/2017 15:04

'Thanks Olivia - I think it's because I posted in AIBU.'

It could also be that you are being completely unreasonable maybe.......

LakieLady · 12/11/2017 15:07

My daughter just told me that he knocked and got her attention, then waved

This is not a normal, nice man but a difficult, drunken aggressive one

Drip feeding is a sure sign that an OP has lost the argument.

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