To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

3 Benefits I truly believe in

UKIP support collapsed & forever gone from oxygen of publicity

Farage no longer paid by UK tax payers to whinge how much he hates EU

Exports will be cheaper so a little more competitive (only benefits sectors not suffering b/c of having to buy expensive raw products due to low value of £)

I don’t believe in any other supposed benefits people list here. tbf, I don’t know about who works on building sites. All the tradespeople we ever found to give us a quote were native born white English. One was a gay woman. Does that count as diversity?

Well Talkin I do disagree with the arguments you have raised to counter my points.

1. Grimsby fishermen did not destroy the fishing stocks alone - which fish are you talking about anyway - Cod, Herring, Sea Bass or? Fisherpeople throughout the world are more aware than ever about overfishing and stock depletion. Just another little dig at Grimsby, are they supposed to be too stupid to know?

1. Acts and Directives and Regulations - "that's not how it works" - oh yes it is. Do tell us what your definition of these various Statutes mean?

1. Population projections - Nothing to do with the EU. We'll see about that won't we - it's very hard to plan for dinner when you don't know how many people are coming, until they turn up. And do that everyday with a limited budget.,

Us standards in food production, so arms and fingers in burgers and so on. I am slathering at thought of extra protein.

I refuse to acknowledge there is such a thing as Brexit. If you bastarding exiters insist on leaving you're dragging Northern Ireland along with you.

So it's U.kexit.

@Frouby - well above NMW. Nor does he pay the EU workers less. As far as he is concerned a good worker deserves paying well.

His job isn't horrendous. Just manual. Mine in a factory was rank I'd have loved to do it over what I did to pay my way through uni!

Hatels
Fishing stocks - the history of mismanagement of the whole North Sea and North Atlantic fishery long predates the EU.
THE EU did not make it better, but it did not cause the collapse of the UK fishing industry.
I mention Grimsby as their fishermen are on record as looking forward to "unlimited catches" after Brexit.

Legislation
If you read an act on a topic it will state
"this act incorporates the contents of EU directive NNN and all subsequent amendements"
There is no double legislation. The drafting only happens in detail once
unless the UK decides to gold plate and complicate - as it has disastrously done with the RPA

Population
The UK chooses to allow EU residents to claim benefits on arrival in a manner that other EU countries do not. The UK could change that immediately if it wanted to.
Not many EU migrants arrive with kids, so the lack of school places and NHS beds is entirely down to the UK decision to have low taxes and low spending. Again could be reversed by Philip Hammond in a few days time.

Anyhoo. He will - luckily - be out of the shit show.

The rest of us will have to deal with that won't we. Maybe the brexiteers would like to pay extra to subside those that voted "remain" when it's all fucked up

About fisheries... sorry if this FT article is behind a paywall. Among other things, FT points out that UK fisheries sell mostly to... EU. So if the exit deal doesn't include good access to EU fisheries, then UK sovereignty over our fisheries won't be worth much. Also, there are problems with how much access UK fisherpeople will continue to have to traditional grounds... in French, Irish & Norwegian waters.

Badly handled, the post-Brexit deal could lead to massive over-fishing, not least due to lots illegal encroachment by cheeky Johnny Foreigner.

Dead fish is not commodity that tends to keep well for long, we NEED EU buyers more than they need our fish.

I mention Grimsby as their fishermen are on record as looking forward to "unlimited catches" after Brexit.

Who are now asking for a special deal.

It's quite a good conversation starter whilst holidaying in mainland Europe. So that's great I suppose.

"More riding schools" I actually laughed out loud there.

Amusingly, there is a piece of EU legislation I loathe
but the problem with it is the UK's gold plating, not the directive itself
Its the legislation that bans public sector bodies from favouring local suppliers and customers
its a PITA for small organisations
but as it favours big business, the Tories will keep it as it is

ooh ooh! 2 more I can list:

Politics is interesting now, it's real. The sociologists & academics & lawyers are having a field day. I tend to like these people, so glad to see they have such a rich vein of stuff to research.

Personally, I'm morbidly fascinated. I go to sleep listening to analysis on this type of thing. I don't know why it helps me sleep. Can't get too much.

we would have to pay that either way so how is that relevant?

Hang on @Ttbb - how would we have to pay a £53 billion bill if we were staying in the EU? This is the bill we're paying for leaving.

Ooh Ooh! I have another benefit.

Now I have a cast-iron excuse to never set food in a Wetherspoons ever again. Never liked them much, anyway.

how would we have to pay a £53 billion bill if we were staying in the EU? This is the bill we're paying for leaving.
Because the bill is our forward contract liabilities
like paying off a loan early

you either pay the contracts over their normal 20 year term
or all in a bloc to not have the ongoing payments

the amount of money does not change, just the timescale

think of a marital divorce settlement
option a - alimony and maintenance for 20 years at £20,000 a year
option b - clean break of £400,000
same amount of money, different timescale

The Northern Ireland issue with the border will make or break things I think.

The ROI Government have a veto. And they will use it if necessary. UK is pissing on them big time for their own ends. Not to mind the potential collapse of the Good Friday Agreement and all that might entail.

But there we are. No one cares. Rule Brittania.

Did you ArgyMargy? I don't laugh when another one closes. Not least because a close friend lost their livelihood and home after 70 years of it being a family business.

And I didn't laugh when the ponies were sold or pts either. And I don't laugh at the hopelessly overfull rescues or the equine welfare crisis. Partly caused by land previously used for dairy herds set aside by EU subsidies and then rented cheaply to anyone who fancies owning a horse.

You are very strange if you laugh at someone losing their business.

Potential simplification (by reduction) of the medicine approval process. The EMA will relocate to Europe, we won't be part of a 500 million person market and drug companies probably won't choose to seek approval in the UK until they've got the large markets done. In fact, they might not bother. So that's good, making it simpler ?

My DB came up with a law about buses - but as he pointed out, when it was up for consultation before it was enacted, the UK Government chose not to listen to the bus companies' opinions and just nodded it through. I don't remember the full details, but it's to do with the length of journey - some companies get round the legislation by showing a through journey as one of two halves, but will happily sell a ticket for both halves at once. At least one other company was stupid, and insisted that passengers got off the bus, queued up and got on again.

So you can't really then whine about not liking a piece of legislation if your government couldn't be bothered to say why they didn't like it, or even better suggest some constructive amendments.

Then again, fishing and Farage - an MEP who only attended one out of the 42 fishing committee meetings he was a representative on. Who needs a representative like that? Until the Referendum most people didn't even realise he was an MEP. Still that's one bonus - he won't be able to draw a salary for doing *** all.

Tell you who will benefit big time and that's the people who paid into the leave campaign who want to avoid the European Tax Avoidance Directive that comes into effect in 2019.

Rather good for the 8000 new civil servants. Less bureaucracy anyone?
Fewer unelected officials? At a cost of £400,000,000M p.a which many reckon is a rather conservative estimate as these will be high earning lawyers, with costly accommodation and IT requirements.

Only the rich can afford brexit.

www.dorseteye.com/north/articles/when-brussels-decided-to-end-tax-avoiding-practices-within-its-member-states-britain-decided-to-leave-the-eu

I'm not British but DH is. We both think this is the dumbest move any country has made. UK is not strong enough politically or economically. I agree with point system for migrants so you get skilled workers only, but the rest of the propaganda are for uneducated people who have given up. I'm a recruiting manager and it is so hard to get skilled workers here. We've been recruiting for months for a couple of mid level technical positions. Very well paid I may add. I conclude the human resources are just not up to scratch compared to my experience in America or the far east. Good luck anyway, it won't affect us much though it angers us and it is slightly amusing to see little Englanders with their incredibly narrow minded views.

Potential simplification (by reduction) of the medicine approval process. The EMA will relocate to Europe, we won't be part of a 500 million person market and drug companies probably won't choose to seek approval in the UK until they've got the large markets done. In fact, they might not bother. So that's good, making it simpler ?

On these lines, read this :(uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-pharmaceuticals/thousands-of-drugs-face-brexit-risk-makers-to-duplicate-testing-idUKKBN1D838N

And some PP mentioned the cost of British citizenship is a positive result of brexit. Another little minded opinion. I am not interested in your citizenship but if I had acquired one, my tax money and money ive spent on the local economy would have paid many times more than the cost of me being here, just as many doctors, nurses, engineers which you need from other countries. Such a dumb comment. 1.5k is not much anyway in the big picture!

Rather good for the 8000 new civil servants. Less bureaucracy anyone?
I could actually see that as a benefit, especially if the work is based in the regions. As a retired Civil Servant in the South East, I recall that we always had difficulty retaining staff. It was tiresome to say the least to train up staff and then see them go elsewhere. Other branches in Wales and the North West had no difficulty whatever in retaining staff - because the wages and conditions were more than competitive with what was on offer locally.