To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

@Frouby

My ex-FIL is in an industry staffed almost exclusively by EU workers. Why? Because English workers wont do the work despite him paying a good wage.

He and a number of his acquaintances are pretty resigned their businesses will fold if it becomes impossible to attract seasonal EU workers. Still. Who needs home grown produce.

Which bits of EU legislation do you want gone?

I want all of it gone, I want the UK to pass its own legislation on employment, the environment and food safety. Why are people so keen on giving away their sovereignty, the mind boggles.

oooh, I do love a quiz....

1. Abolition of fishing quotas
2. Removing an additional layer of government - no more confusing Acts with Directives (and Regs) - it's just Acts.
3. The ability to match public services with actual and feasibly projected poulations.

Could prob think of more, for both sides too.

and food safety

Hah. Haven't you seen the news regarding the UK US food trade deal?

Julie
I want the UK to pass its own legislation on employment, the environment and food safety.
The UK has its own employment laws
UK employees have the weakest employment rights in the EU
even more rights will be taken away once directives are history.

Environment Legislation.
Watch what Rees-Mogg says in this video
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html
Do you really want air quality as bad as India?
He thinks it will increase his profits.

Abundant
Yes I do know that but the government don't care. Especially as people in the building industry are working class.
I will give you an example. Ten Polish workers all sharing a house. They lI've on bread and spam all week and send their cash home to their families.
A british worker can't compete with that. They have higher rents/ mortgages to pay and can't work for £10 per hour that the Polish can.
I'm not blaming the Polish workers for this, they are trying to do the best for their families.
But if they couldn't work here then the British worker would have more chance of a decent wage.
Jaques i do get what you are saying, their are a lot of racists voting for Brexit. But not everyone voting for Brexit is a racist.

The ability to enter trade deals without needing all the other member states to agree (which takes so long it may as well not happen at all).

Ermmm....
Let's hope we don't want to do trade deals with our nearest neighbours, you know the EU where we currently trade freely

Or hope to get a good deal from China as a tiny country without the backing of the other 27 countries. How did the describe us again? Wasn't it a practice country before negotiating with the big boys, the EU.
Ditto the US and Canada.
But no worries we can trade with everyone with our well known world famous trade negotiators....

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Haven't you seen the news regarding the UK US food trade deal?
Indeed but
There is no deal even in the offing.
THE UK cannot start one and the US does not want one unless on CRUSHING terms to the UK

Haven't you seen the news regarding the UK US food trade deal?

Yes apparently this non existent trade deal, will force our farmers to clean chickens with chemicals (which we already consume) and then eat them until we become obese. Whether we like it or not. And something to do with the black death as well

Frouby
Thank you. You put my point across a lot better

Abolition of fishing quotas
So the Grimsby fishermen will do what they did before the UK joined the CFP - destroy the stocks.
There are no fish. Quotas are irrelevan
Removing an additional layer of government - no more confusing Acts with Directives (and Regs) - it's just Acts
You clearly do not read Legislation.gov.uk very often - that is not how it works
The ability to match public services with actual and feasibly projected poulations.
That has nothing at all to do with the EU. The UK government keeps taxes low and starves schools and the NHS.
Leaving the EU will not make the Tories suddenly care about the poor.

Bonjour Jacques - I doubt the business will fold; the need for seasonal produce pickers has always been there and all you will have to demonstrate is that your workforce needs can't be met by the UK population. For example:

If your picking season is outside of UK student holidays then they can't;

If own transport is required then it's rare that most able-bodied workers will be available to just suit your needs, within a short time frame, at NMW AND being well off enough to run a car too.

Accommodation onsite - not everyone can move away from their homes and responsibilities and share a caravan to earn a little money.

Common sense really - not the fault of the UK workforce with homes to pay for and families to raise.

We get to have blue passport covers again

Ta1kinPeece Bad case of confirmation bias there. The clip you linked shows a politician answering that yes, we could do a lot of things, improve or even decrease standards. It does not show anyone saying they will, or even want to specifically change anything.

hatels
The problem of bringing in migrant labour is the UK's attitude to visa fees.
A full year work permit visa costs several hundred pounds and is only available for those who earn over £18500 a year

Farmers will not pay out those fees, nor will workers
Agricultural work does not pay that much

At present a lot of the agricultural workers go back to south east europe outside the season
if they have to pay visa fees they just will not come

JaquesHammer the problem is possibly because the work is seasonal. I am guessing that it is unskilled, manual labour. So although it will meet NMW or even the living wage a family can't survive on a few months wages for a year. They probably can't get childcare in place for 3 months of the year. And by the time the work has been done for another season and all sold to supermarkets etc, the family is struggling to get back onto benefits that they gave up for seasonal work.

I think one way to help this would be to allow families on benefits to do the seasonal work without impacting their benefits. But I can't see this happening either.

It's not a case that UK born folk think they are too special to work as a labourer on a farm for 3 months at a time. It's back to being able to afford to do it when you have to pay the bills in the UK. Not spend 3 months picking and go back to eastern europe.

The government and politicians might actually have to take some responsibility and they can no longer blame Europe for everything.

I doubt the business will fold

It will. They've already started making plans.

If your picking season is outside of UK student holidays then they can't. They can provide year round employment.

If own transport is required then it's rare that most able-bodied workers will be available to just suit your needs, within a short time frame, at NMW AND being well off enough to run a car too.. Own transport not required; they tried putting on a mini bus for a while. Didn't work.

Accommodation onsite - not everyone can move away from their homes and responsibilities and share a caravan to earn a little money

Absolutely no requirement to live in.

Very similar to a factory I worked in many years ago. Quite frankly it was a hideous job, I was paid a fortune and I stuck it. Now it's manned almost entirely by workers from the EU.

There aren't suddenly going to be loads of UK workers deciding they want these jobs after all.

Fortunately for ex-FIL he's almost at retirement age. However the huge, huge network of places he supplies will suffer.

Hmmm...
29.3.19 brexit date nothing to do with EU anti tax avoidance laws coming into force on 1.4.19?????

OP if you genuinely want to know the answer I don't think you do you should be asking your question somewhere else. Mumsnet is not the place for sensible discussion of anything Brexit. But I think you already know that.

If we dislike the group that sets our laws, we can vote them out in a democratic manner.

Is your ex fil paying a fortune too? Or is it NMW or just above to do a 'horrendous' job? Or is the problem that they don't currently have to pay a fortune because they have cheap european labour on hand?

We pay our labourers £400 a week. Picked up and dropped off, probably a 35 hour week. And we are in the north. We have to pay that to get anyone.

I have not read the thread...will do it now

But i thought brexiteers sounded better as a title than remainers

But in the the times there was a better one

It was Brexiteers and ....wait for it...the Resistance

Much better

And yes i know im shallow