To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

According to some leavers it did because they didn’t want people coming in working on the black market. Also flies in the face of controlling borders. You have one land border with an eu country and you can’t control it.

17 million voted leave, we weren't all UKIP, I think most can cope with a common travel area in NI.

Common travel area between uk and irl will remain. Border issue still needs sorting.

i agree, all parties just need to get over the politics and it will be sorted. probably after a trade deal is discussed.

Julie, politics plays a pretty big role in NI. If you think it can be ignored they you’ve done a better job than Molem, Blair, major, Reynolds, ahern

@Julie,

That would be subject to ROI agreeing to moving on to Trade talks without solving the border issue between NI and ROI.

Cannot see that happening without a HUGE compromise somewhere along the way. ROI will be protected by the EU anyway. Otherwise they will use their veto.

Some countries have a little bit of pull WRT UK, small and insignificant as they might seem!

How is it possible to agree how a customs border will operate before you have discussed what customs deal you will have between the countries. You can't put the cart before the horse.

Irish people,..... can come in, the rest get deported asap.

Some Irish people do not need to 'come in' because they have been born there and lived there all their lives. You do realise that, don't you?

Just to be clear, ROI are in no humour at all to humour the British on this one.

Brexit will impact them hugely, with the border just one of the issues. The financial hit will be significant as they export so much to the UK.

Theh are livid about the border situation and that so little thought was given to it prior and since the vote. Boris was sent packing today after his little attempt at diplomacy. Varadkar has been firm in his position that this is the UK's problem and they need to find a solution. Finding a solution that suits ROI, nationalists in NI and the DUP is a Herculean task.

There is literally nothing in this for the ROI. They have no reason whatsoever to co-operate. With the veto they have a lot of power at this stage, so the UK need to get fucking real.

@Laurie

Well said there.

Some British people do not seem to understand nor care about the impact of a closed border between NI/ROI.

Irish Foreign Minister is not for turning yet anyway, and has put it up to Boris today. I hope he went home with his tail between his legs.

Does he not understand that the GFA is an International Treaty and cannot be undone by Britain alone.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/17/tusk-tells-uk-no-trade-talks-without-progress-on-money-and-ireland

They have no reason whatsoever to co-operate.
If they throw their dummy out of the pram and refuse to co-operate then that's fine. I hope they are ok with a WTO deal.

I hope they are ok with a WTO deal.
Why do you think the RoI will need a WTO deal? They will still be part of the EU.

Well if the EU refuse to work out a deal with us we will end up with a WTO deal with the EU and that includes between us and the ROI.

WTO deals can take up to ten years to agree. Look up Canada.

*Look up Canada
That's exactly a reason why we are leaving the EU because they are really bad at trade deals with the rest of the world.

We are already 100% aligned with the EU at the moment (unlike Canada was) so we could do a FT deal with them tomorrow. Obviously it will take longer, for different reasons, as the EU try and punish us for leaving the USofE.

Of course, Ireland might decide to say 'what the heck, let's develop more trade with continental Europe, the British Government doesn't care about us.'

Oh dear. Yes, we could do a free trade deal with the EU "tomorrow", but it would include agreeing to not change our laws on, among other things, food quality, employment, engineering standards etc., and would probably require us to be subject to the ECJ.

You haven't really thought that through, have you.

It's an international border. Once you tear up the EU rulebook that helps pre clear goods and sets tariffs you will need a new set of rules. The UK has set out its red lines and it's clear they are not compatible with a straight forward agreement like Norway or Switzerland so we KNOW any trade deals are going to be complicated. You cannot get a FT deal tomorrow as your red lines don't allow it. If you were prepared to stay in cu/ SM it would be a lot more straightforward.

So it is obvious that we need to set out conditions for NI after brexit day as no, we can't just ignore the fact there are no rules for goods in operation.

but it would include agreeing to not change our laws on, among other things, food quality, employment, engineering standards etc., and would probably require us to be subject to the ECJ.

You could have the UK insisting that a product had been produced under the old regulations and is therefore compliant, so what's the problem? Only for the EU country to say 'How do we know, what guarantee is there that you haven't made a change and not advertised it'.

ROI are already mentally discounting on UK trade. They're disgusted with UK behaviour and are expending all energies on looking into other avenues. They know it's good for the country in the long term.

And to accuse ROI of throwing their toys out of the pram is crass beyond belief. British actions on brexit have the potential to spark a return to civil war on the island, And you think ROI are behaving badly?

What the arch brexiteers don't realise is how much damage the UK are doing to their reputation abroad with this kind of dishonest arguing and tomfoolery. In ROI, respect for them has sunk like a stone.

The irony of the Brexiteers accusing others of "throwing their toys out of the pram" is, unfortunately, lost on them...

I'd be really curious how many people have been to Northern Ireland and seen the border.

It's invisible. People have businesses one side, processing on the other. It's precisely because of WTO rules this has to be sorted.

People are not an issue- I have always had freedom of movement to the UK as an Irish citizen, that will continue. The problem is, Britain will have to use WTO rules if they're not in customs union or they can be taken to court as per WTO for not offering same deal to other WTO members.

If I have a dairy in Antrim and the milk is pasteurised in Donegal, and this has been going on so long there aren't compatible facilities my side of the border- what the hell is going to happen?!

A sea border would make sense. The DUP won't allow it. A hard border would be an impossibility, and breach the GFA.

You may think ireland is throwing toys out of the pram all you want but we've been much more up close and personal with thirty years of war and we will not be taking any chances on this. Thankfully the EU and most international opinion is behind us on this.

Of the goods coming into the UK from the rest of the world 98% of it is not stopped at the border for checks. That is because it is pre-cleared.
Sorry but that is utter bollocks.

The Port of Southampton has a huge customs clearance area and NOTHING leaves it until HMRC are happy that the paperwork is in place and the anti smuggling checks have been completed.
See here for the fee scale and level of complexity
www.dpworldsouthampton.com/port-info/tariffs-and-charges

Here is more about the HUGE UK customs clearance industry
www.dfsworldwide.com/import-to-uk.html
HMRC DO NOT trust the paperwork that comes with shipments.
They check EVERYTHING
and anything coming in from outside the EU has import VAT added to it at the appropriate rate

Anybody who thinks there isn't a VERY hard border between the UK and the world outside the EU has clearly never travelled much.