To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

Yes, the movement didn't feel very free when you had scared squaddies pointing guns at your kids when you crossed the border in Cavan and had to hand over your drivers license.... and that was just the tourist experience.

David Davis is now promising free movement for bankers.

I can't imagine what a dick you must be feeling lately if you voted Brexit to kick against the elites.

I can't imagine what a dick you must be feeling lately if you voted Brexit to kick against the elites.

I don't see why free movement for bankers is against the wants of brexit. It's not bankers that were complaining about competition from european labour driving down wages. it's the people with low wages complaining about it.

To answer the OP's question: house prices. They are taking a serious brexit hit.

It will interesting to see how DD proposes to keep free movement for some (bankers, lawyers etc) but not for others (everyone else).

it will stop these pointless threads - yawn

House prices. They are taking a serious brexit hit.

I agree that looks good. However, housing crashes are not necessarily any benefit at all to low earning first time buyers.

Look at ROI as a cautionary tale. Had a huge housing crash in 2008. Here's what happened.

Banks stop lending to all but the safest of safe bets and they started demanding 20% deposits. Unless you're in a rock solid, permanent job they don't want to know. Contractors, free-lancers, small business owners are told to fuck off, even with hefty deposits and substantial incomes. My friend was refused a mortgage because the (well performing) company she was a permanent member of staff in was deemed 'too small' to be a safe bet.

Vendors stop selling, so there's nothing to buy. In the meantime, rent starts sky rocketing. Dublin has much higher rental prices than London now. Homelessness has become a major, major problem in the big cities. If you're renting, you face the impossibility of trying to save for your substantial deposit while shelling out most of your income in rent. It's a total mess.

House prices are lower on paper than they were 10 years ago. Yet it was much, much easier for ordinary punters to get on the property ladder in 2007 than it is now.

Fair enough, I didn't realise 'kick the elite' meant 'allow elite groups to retain privileges denied to the rest of us.' But yes, I suppose that makes perfect sense to some people.

It will interesting to see how DD proposes to keep free movement for some (bankers, lawyers etc) but not for others (everyone else).

not sure why that would be an issue. See NAFTA, where you have some semblance of free movement for only certain occupations. You are simply required to be in a recognized occupation, have the requisite qualifications, and have a job offer.

What a smack in the face it is for them.

I agree that looks good. However, housing crashes are not necessarily any benefit at all to low earning first time buyers.

The problem isn't so much the crash (as much of a problem as that is), it's the inflation stripping rise in house prices, and the subsequent volatility that inevitably comes with a correction. A crash is, unfortunately (and I agree it is unfortunate), the only reasonable outcome. Perhaps there are other solutions, like a long period of stagnant house prices with inflation. Of course, the cost of that is an entire generation locked out of housing (for that is how long we would need such a stagnant period).

But you have just nailed why this problem can't be solved. We all want affordable housing without a crash or correction. Well, that'll be a neat magic trick. 20 years of Tories and Labour didn't do anything but make the problem worse. Brexit comes along, and at a mere 17 months old, seems to have helped somewhat.

I’m sure European lawyers and bankers will love having to go through the rigmarole of applying for work permits a la NAFTA.

I’m sure European lawyers and bankers will love having to go through the rigmarole of applying for work permits a la NAFTA.

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I’m sure European lawyers and bankers will love having to go through the rigmarole of applying for work permits a la NAFTA.

it's a trivial process in NA. Literally, show up at the border with your job offer and your qualifications (usually a degree of some kind), point out on the list of accepted professions where you fit, and away you go. No appointments, no lawyers.

A lot of naysaying. not a lot of creative thinking. And NAFTA isn't some kind of secret.

Somehow I can’t see the Home Office being competent enough to be able to issue work permits at a POE.

If there is no customs union there will need to be a border
Only to satisfy the EU

I’m sure a border would satisfy the DUP. Otherwise the border is the sea that the DUP won’t agree. Otherwise no borders at all.

People killed and injured - ' a bad thing' -
'sorted' - hours and hours of hard work and compromises on both sides.
This is the Brexit is good like the Black Death argument that we had a few pages back.

Well I apologise- that isn’t what I meant at all, but I do see that it looks as if I was trying to trivialise things that are far from trivial, and for that I apologise.

Only to satisfy the EU

These are the rules that underpin the EU's very structure and the whole project. They have always been clear that this is the deal. The leave campaign always knew this.

To imply that the EU are just being churlish and difficult in not breaking the rules for the NI border is beyond outrageous. The implications of breaking those rules is basically chaos across the entire European project. No sane person would expect them to do this.

Its the UK that chose to leave, in the full knowledge that they share a border with another European country and that this border is highly volatile, particularly in a situation where it needs to be enforced. They also embarked upon this endeavor in the full knowledge that it would cause another country (ROI) considerable disruption, anxiety, cost and potentially worse.

It is the UK's fucking responsibility to sort it out. The blame shifting and double speak in an attempt to worm their way out of it is appalling beyond belief.

The true colours of some of the senior Tories are now so obvious to me. They are a bunch of self serving cunts.

Only to satisfy the EU

... and all the many many leavers who voted to "take back control" of our borders.

I have a tangible personal benefit.
My fixed term contract was extended by 1 yr, unexpectedly.
Because UK Civil service can't cope, they don't have resources to assess the work tenders which were due to expire/renew in March 2019.. so now we just have to devise an adequate research plan to get 1 extra yr free.

Brexit still Sucks.

THat is almost funny
in a blitheringly incompetent way
but nice for you

To imply that the EU are just being churlish and difficult in not breaking the rules for the NI border is beyond outrageous

But it really isn't. There are anomalies all across the EU.

We don't have to show passports when we go to the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands, and they are not in the EU.

The German island of Helgoland isn't in the EU.

And there are countless other examples.

Why all the fuss about NI? Given the history and the efforts given to the peace process, just leave it alone. Ireland is an island, it's hardly going to be a hotbed of smuggling either people or goods - it's not like a land border on the continent. There really isn't any need for customs posts or passport checks. It has no effect on the EU's external land borders elsewhere.

All that said, I do think it's outrageous that the referendum was called knowing that a requirement of the Good Friday agreement was that both Ireland and the UK were in the EU. Has anyone looked into legal action to see if Brexit can be stopped because it's in breach of a treaty?

The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are part of the CTA though, and Heligoland is part of the EU, just not part of the customs union.

The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are part of the CTA though, and Heligoland is part of the EU, just not part of the customs union.