To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

People have a right to express their views.

Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities it does not give people the right to discriminate.

There is no good reason to introduce a hard border.

If there is no customs union there will need to be a border. Unionists will not allow a sea border.

So we have a territory full of EU citizens, next to a territory - full of EU citizens.

Sounds like a united Ireland. Wow, its almost as if British passport holding unionists don't exist.

disa
I really can't see there's going to be a huge problem with either contraband or illegal immigrants on the inner Irish border.
Really ?
Which bit of :
ferry from France to Eire with no customs checks
or cheap flight from Bulgaria to Eire with no customs checks
and then walk across the border
is so hard to understand

Controlling borders does not mean we have to build a wall everywhere. We can choose to not have one in NI. That's what control is, the ability to act upon our free will. Eastern European immigrants might come in via ROI

I get that this might seem quite reasonable in the increasingly Orwellian universe that this thread has become, but do you really think this is what hardline brexiteers voted for?

'Take back control' of your borders, except the only land based one we have here with ROI. Which means that the Eastern Europeans will get in anyway and actually they'll be able to work illegally and access the NHS (because they treat off the street). Not bloody likely.

Eastern European immigrants might come in via ROI, but they wont be able to work legally, get houses, healthcare, benefits and if caught imprisoned/deported.

Again Brexiteers wanted to control borders regardless of whether migrants were legal or not. Your scenario essentially creates a sea border. Let migrants into NI but not Eng/Sco/Wal.

And most residents of NI have a right to an Irish passport. Which is also an EU passport. So we have a territory full of EU citizens, next to a territory - full of EU citizens.

Have you run any of this logic by the DUP? They'd love this.

only one side gives a toss.

I am not a tory voter. But I have a bit of sympathy for the sleepless nights that May must be having. She has lost control. She is being assailed from all sides. She has to please the UK, her party, and the EU.

Barnier, frankly, has a way easier job. I would doubt that the he sincerely cares more about Ireland than people here.

Funny how it’s only the Eastern Europeans singled out here - presumably other EU citizens aren’t considered to be a problem?

but do you really think this is what hardline brexiteers voted for?
I think this is what most brexiteers who thought about it voted for.

"I think this is what most brexiteers who thought about it voted for."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think this is what most brexiteers who thought about it voted for.

An open back door with ROI that any EU immigrant who wants can waltz through whenever they like?

Really?

Doesn't sound like taking back control to me.

To be totally fair, I'd love you to be proved right. But that's not a hard Brexit.

I think this is what most brexiteers who thought about it voted for.

When Farage unveiled his breaking point poster and didn't see any small print stating that it would not apply to NI.

OMG check the small print. We have to cancel Brexit.

Ummm NO!

Still can't think of a good thing other then Nigel Farage and the other UKIP MEPs losing their salary from the EU.

In terms of post question, how can anybody list the benefits of Brexit? Unless they're a cabinet member, they don't know the ins and out of Brexit negotiations. They're not well informed enough on the machinations of Brexit. They are not audible in, or privy to any aspect of it. They're just saying what they think or hope the benefits will be. A bit like the pub bore who opines on any and every "put Britain to rights" subject after a couple of pints, then sits there looking pleased with himself. A legend in his own lunchtime.

MistressDeeCee
So we just have to take it on faith that
Liam Fox and David Davis and William Rees-Mogg and Ian Duncan-Smith and Boris Johnson and Michael Gove
will make the lives of women and the poor and the young better
even though they have provided no tangible benefits of Brexit at all ?
Really ?

What a bizarre attitude, mistress:

Only cabinet members know what's good for us, let's leave it all to them.

Mistress, the gov are sitting on brexit impact assessment reports. They should release them.

Two cabinet members have been in place for less than a week, but still they're clever, leave it to them.

Free movement was part of the Good Friday agreement, not before

No, we had free movement since 1922. I agree we had the fortified border and that was a bad thing that Good Friday sorted, but the rights to movement didn’t change.

There were customs checks between NI and ROI between 1922 and 1993. The CtA is only for free movement of UK and Irish citizens.
Leaving CU / SM means the UK is forcing a hard border. Your responsibility to come up with a solution. Of course that is beyond the capability of Brexiteers who know next to nothing about NI. So they're going to force ROI and the EU to clean up the shit.

When free movement was instigated isnt really the point though.

The point is that instigating a hard border now is a) against the terms of the good Friday agreement and b) highly inflammatory, risking a return to sectarian violence.

but they also jumped head first into the referendum without any kind of plan for a leave outcome.

This refers to Cameron, who remember, was going to stay on both as PM and an MP, and couldn't have run out of the door of No 10 quick enough when the result came in. Followed by May jumping in to appease the right wing of her party. There was nothing on the ballot about leaving the Customs Union or Single Market - both of which were championed by Daniel Hannan and Farage before the Referendum.

In terms of post question, how can anybody list the benefits of Brexit? Unless they're a cabinet member, they don't know the ins and out of Brexit negotiations.

In which case why was such a question put to the electorate?

the fortified border and that was a bad thing that Good Friday sorted,

People killed and injured - ' a bad thing' -
'sorted' - hours and hours of hard work and compromises on both sides.
This is the Brexit is good like the Black Death argument that we had a few pages back.